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Post by SunshineyDay on Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:52 pm

Do we receive a property tax statement? Where is it paid? Sorry first time..

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Post by Intercasa on Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:55 pm

You do not get a statement, you can go to this page https://predialchapala.gob.mx/ to see how much you owe, where it says numero de cuenta enter your account number which begins with U

Then go to city hall to pay.

Jocotepec municipality people I dont know if there is online access but you still pay at city hall.
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Post by lucky on Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:20 pm

Well, we don't actually pay at City Hall here in Joco. We pay across the Plaza, next to the OXXO.

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Post by SunFan on Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:25 am

Just paid my property taxes yesterday. I waited till this morning to post so I would calm down.

My taxes went up over 24%, almost a thousand pesos.

The joke of it is I live in a Frac. No water, no street maintenance, no street lighting. The only municipal services I receive are the Police!!!!!!

Does anyone know how taxes are calculated? Is it a fixed mill rate applied against property values or land and building area?

Is there any sort of appeal process?

The value of lakeside living is diminishing rapidly what with food, gas and housing.

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Post by Gamina on Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:47 am

You are complaining about a less than $70US increase per YEAR? I'm happy to pay a little more to live in paradise.
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Post by conejorapido on Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:52 am

Yeah, compared to the $7,200 US we were paying in California in 2001 (who knows what it is now!) there's really not much to complain about when it comes to taxes. Sure we don't get much in the way of services but what do you expect when taxes run 5-700 US a year?

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Post by SunFan on Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:59 am

Gamina wrote:You are complaining about a less than $70US increase per YEAR?  I'm happy to pay a little more to live in paradise.

Don't worry. You will.

Can you explain a 24+% increase? Unless the current Presidente is replenishing the coffers prior to his departure!

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P.S. I pay in C$ so it's $80 to me
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Post by Gamina on Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:03 am

It's to pay for all the free-loaders from Guadalajara who haven't paid their taxes in years. I don't believe there is a penalty for not paying one's taxes; if there is a penalty, it's not enforced. No selling property on the courthouse steps for back taxes.
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Post by Lady Otter Latté on Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:06 am

Yes, SunFan, I think you should stomp on down to the municipal building and loudly complain. I am sure the Mexican authorities will be sympathetic and reduce your odious tax burden immediately! There is nothing they like more than entitled foreigners whining about how unfair life down here is to them, the place where they live by choice.
OR, you could just move on back where you came from and be done with all the hardships of living here.
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Post by slainte39 on Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:02 am

My predial (property tax), in  SAT, increased by 5%....fair enough, inflation.
You can go to the jefe at the tax office and request a measurement of the property and construction, in case the measurements are in error. Also, it is possible to get a reclassification of the property due to condition and age, such as a downgrade from de lujo to bueno or medio bueno that will reduce the valor de avaluo.  Many Mexican citizens have done that, not sure if the foreign community tries that approach.
Other than that, I know of no other appeal.

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Post by Intercasa on Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:46 am

News articles mentioned a 37% increase in Chapala but I havent seen that much, although the tax tables have not been published so there may be the increase for future transactions.
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Post by SunFan on Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:32 pm

Lady Otter Latté wrote:Yes, SunFan, I think you should stomp on down to the municipal building and loudly complain. I am sure the Mexican authorities will be sympathetic and reduce your odious tax burden immediately! There is nothing they like more than entitled foreigners whining about how unfair life down here is to them, the place where they live by choice.
OR, you could just move on back where you came from and be done with all the hardships of living here.

Wow L.O.T

That's a pretty over-the-top attack!!

Are you one of those folks who resents people who question government actions???

Why am I entitled?
Am I whining or just questioning the rationale for a 25% tax hike.

Calm down.

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Post by hockables on Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:37 pm

SunFan wrote:
Gamina wrote:You are complaining about a less than $70US increase per YEAR?  I'm happy to pay a little more to live in paradise.

Don't worry. You will.

Can you explain a 24+% increase? Unless the current Presidente is replenishing the coffers prior to his departure!

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P.S. I pay in C$ so it's $80 to me

Two years ago my lake property in Canada was re-appraised.... property taxes had been $1700 and I returned to a new and improved tax bill of $3700... the nice lady in the Town Office told me " you should be happy... It's a reflection of your increased Property Value "  Rolling Eyes  .... try to justify that??

Quit yer bitch'n.... everything going up... everywhere    Beer

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Post by SunFan on Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:49 pm

hockables wrote:

Two years ago my lake property in Canada was re-appraised.... property taxes had been $1700 and I returned to a new and approved tax bill of $3700... the nice lady in the Town Office told me " you should be happy... It's a reflection of your increased Property Value "  Rolling Eyes  .... try to justify that??

Quit yer bitch'n.... everything going up... everywhere    Beer

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Did you thank the nice lady in the tax office and not question the rationale for the increase??? It would be quite understandable if I was told the tax rate was market value driven.....but somehow I doubt it.

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Post by David on Fri Jan 09, 2015 1:18 pm

Our went up 5%, in Las Salvias no less!
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Post by RVGRINGO on Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:02 pm

Prices, taxes and fees continue to rise, but retirement income does not, until you just cannot afford it any more and your resources are exhausted. Then, you die off and the next generation making big bucks for doing very little takes over the world.

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Post by Pedro on Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:21 pm

SunFan wrote:
hockables wrote:

Two years ago my lake property in Canada was re-appraised.... property taxes had been $1700 and I returned to a new and approved tax bill of $3700... the nice lady in the Town Office told me " you should be happy... It's a reflection of your increased Property Value "  Rolling Eyes  .... try to justify that??

Quit yer bitch'n.... everything going up... everywhere    Beer

Hocks
Did you thank the nice lady in the tax office and not question the rationale for the increase??? It would be quite understandable if I was told the tax rate was market value driven.....but somehow I doubt it.

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the state sets the rate as has been posted ad nauseum on here and even in various newspapers. find out who your state rep is learn some spanish and ask him why. you are in mexico not tranna-correct?
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Post by Lady Otter Latté on Fri Jan 09, 2015 7:07 pm

SunFan, multiple exclamation points are used to "shout" a written statement when just one will not adequately express feelings/emotions. You wrote, “My taxes went up over 24%, almost a thousand pesos. The joke of it is I live in a Frac. No water, no street maintenance, no street lighting. The only municipal services I receive are the Police!!!!!!”
I assumed you were hopping mad and think you can understand this. I used just one exclamation point in my entire post and you read it as an “over-the-top attack” and wanted me to “calm down.”
If you had been paying the least bit of attention to what is going on you would have heard that property taxes were going up this year. It has been a topic of discussion here and other places for weeks. (I don’t even own property and I knew it.) You got taken by surprise and went on the attack, demanding an explanation for having to pay an extra $80 USD for the year on what I am guessing is a nice house in a lovely neighborhood.
So, yes, I think you were acting entitled and whiny.
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Post by SunshineyDay on Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:24 am

I just looked up my taxes online. It looks like the figure on the bill is for only a 6 month period? Under "periodo" it says 2015/1-2015/6. Do you have to pay every 6 months or can you pay for a year?

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Post by RVGRINGO on Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:23 am

It is from Jan 2015 to Jan 2016, I think the 1-2015/6 should be 1/2015-1/2016, but it is a bit confusing. Taxes and water are paid annually.

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Post by Sherman on Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:53 am

Intercasa wrote:You do not get a statement, you can go to this page  https://predialchapala.gob.mx/  to see how much you owe, where it says numero de cuenta enter your account number which begins with U

Then go to city hall to pay.

Jocotepec municipality people I dont know if there is online access but you still pay at city hall.  

for Joco -
property taxes (predial) and water are paid in the same building located on the plaza a couple doors away from the OXO. You don't deal with City Hall at all. Both are paid at the same counter. Walk in the front door and find the person who is handing out numbers for the que. Wait your turn. I went at 11:30 and was out of there in maybe 45 minutes.

For property taxes, there's a possibility of two discounts. One is with an INAPAM card (which you have to show) and the other is for early payment. Take your previous statements.

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Post by CanuckBob on Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:03 pm

Just paid my land taxes. Wait was about 35 minutes and they went up 23% over last year. I live in Ajijic Centro.
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Post by ltollefs on Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:18 pm

Lady Otter Latté wrote:SunFan, multiple exclamation points are used to "shout" a written statement when just one will not adequately express feelings/emotions. You wrote, “My taxes went up over 24%, almost a thousand pesos. The joke of it is I live in a Frac. No water, no street maintenance, no street lighting. The only municipal services I receive are the Police!!!!!!”
I assumed you were hopping mad and think you can understand this. I used just one exclamation point in my entire post and you read it as an “over-the-top attack” and wanted me to “calm down.”
If you had been paying the least bit of attention to what is going on you would have heard that property taxes were going up this year. It has been a topic of discussion here and other places for weeks. (I don’t even own property and I knew it.) You got taken by surprise and went on the attack, demanding an explanation for having to pay an extra $80 USD for the year on what I am guessing is a nice house in a lovely neighborhood.
So, yes, I think you were acting entitled and whiny.

'Multiple exclamation marks,' he went on, shaking his head, 'are a sure sign of a diseased mind.'
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