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Post by Intercasa on Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:52 pm

Process wasn't too bad. Paid over $21,000 pesos (importation, not driving to border, taxes, plates, smog check, permission to drive on the street while stuff was in process and required vehicle verification) but got it done pretty painlessly EXCEPT getting in line at 5.20am this morning to finish the process and not leaving the outer limits of Guad until noon.


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Post by bimini6 on Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:56 pm

Congrats! I can't believe you had to pay so much.

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Post by Solovino on Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:14 pm

bimini6 wrote:Congrats! I can't believe you had to pay so much.

I can't believe anyone would pay that much when late model Jettas are pretty cheap down here. Never get it back when its time to sell.

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Post by Intercasa on Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:33 pm

When comparing driving back to the border, paying gas, tolls and then selling on consignment or a fire sale price (in the poor Us economy) to then have to get back to Chapala and buy something else, it seemed like an even trade. Also I put in HID lights and some other things that I wouldn't get my money out of. Also I've taken very good care of my car and any other car might be a gamble. I probably paid a premium to avoid hassle and have piece of mind.

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Post by johninajijic on Fri Apr 15, 2011 4:47 pm

OK, here's my question. What advantage do you have by having a Mexican plated car? I see no advantage, except you pay tenencia yearly and pay for registration and plates yearly along with cost of smog check.

I'll keep my expired US plated vehicle, sell it to a gringo here and pay his way to the border, room and food, then exchange title there.

I will NEVER buy a used vehicle in Mexico, too many extra costs, especially with the way they drive their vehicles.

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Post by martygraw on Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:22 pm

There you go again John, using the "they"

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Post by hockables on Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:39 pm

Beer spencer... thatx a great picture... one thing though... usually with volkswagons ... the oil is on the ground under the car...

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Post by Intercasa on Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:32 pm

Later this year I'll switch to an FM2 and keep my authorization to work so I cannot keep the sticker past the 6 month expiration. My situation is unique and only would apply to those being inmigrado or being citizens if retired.

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Post by hound dog on Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:29 pm

johninajijic wrote:OK, here's my question. What advantage do you have by having a Mexican plated car? .

Well, John, I suppose there is more than one advantage but one clear advantage is that, if one seeks and truly wishes to achieve "inmigrado" status or even citizenship, one is not allowed to own and drive a foreign plated automobile. After ten years as, first FM-3 and then FM-2 visa holders, my wife and I achieved inmigrado status last year and never, EVER, have to worry again about renewing any visa status whether in Chapala or Guadalajara or San Cristóbal de Las Casas or the annual fees and tribulations of having to so do or the burden of proving our income or residency status or dealing with petulant bureaucrats. The fees and aggravation we will avoid by being "green card" holders alone pay us a thousand times over for any fees we incurred by buying a Mexican plated car in Guadalajara in 2004. I can also tell you this whether our experience is typical here of not and this is as people who typically drove across the heart of Mexico City with its thieving, predatory cops several times a year before the Arco Norte was opened; since we started driving with Jalisco plates in 2004 and got rid of those California plated vehicles, we have experienced ZERO problems with cops seeking foreign prey. Not even a dime of mordida nor the need to duke it out verbally with even one crooked cop.

I have said this even before we sold off those California plated cars at the border in Nuevo Laredo years ago and committed ourslelves to Mexico as our home country for the duration. Mexico should be charging substantial fees to non-immigrant visa holders to drive their U.S. plated cars in Mexico, whether with expired registration or not, as adjuncts to annual visa renewal procedures and those fees should be at least as high as tenencia fees charged owners of Mexican purchased and plated vehicles just as a matter of fairness. All FM-2 and FM-3 visa holders driving foreign plated vehicles would be charged for and issued stickers annually which would not be cheap and woe be unto the folks down here under "extended tourist " status who failed to have proof of having paid current annual registration fees. I can´t, for the life of me figure out why the Mexican authorities haven´t figured this out yet.

When Dawg is king of Mexico, you´d better lay low with that U.S. plated car. "Off with their heads", cried the Queen.

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Post by Carry Bean on Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:13 pm

I think tenencia in Jalisco ended this year.

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Post by ferret on Sat Apr 16, 2011 10:30 pm

hound dog wrote:
I have said this even before we sold off those California plated cars at the border in Nuevo Laredo years ago and committed ourslelves to Mexico as our home country for the duration. Mexico should be charging substantial fees to non-immigrant visa holders to drive their U.S. plated cars in Mexico, whether with expired registration or not, as adjuncts to annual visa renewal procedures and those fees should be at least as high as tenencia fees charged owners of Mexican purchased and plated vehicles just as a matter of fairness. All FM-2 and FM-3 visa holders driving foreign plated vehicles would be charged for and issued stickers annually which would not be cheap and woe be unto the folks down here under "extended tourist " status who failed to have proof of having paid current annual registration fees. I can´t, for the life of me figure out why the Mexican authorities haven´t figured this out yet.

I totally agree with you Dawg. It irritates the hell out of me that people drive NOB cars with outdated license plates and crow about it.
And John, why do you think a Mexican plated vehicle has to be second hand? You can buy them new you know.
Sometimes, even the second hand Mexican plated vehicles are owned by people who have actually taken care of them and have the service records to prove it...and I truthfully can't say that about any of our friends NOB who live NOB.


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Post by hound dog on Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:09 am

[quote="ferretI totally agree with you Dawg. It irritates the hell out of me that people drive NOB cars with outdated license plates and crow about it.
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Tell me, ferret, do you suppose there is at least the possibility that these "carpetbaggers" who infest our Lake Chapala shores as those carpetbaggers who poured into Atlanta and New Orleans and Mobile after the Civil War, came here for indirect pecuniary gain? Are these the same redux-adolescent goobers who find it deplorable for some to take the INAPAM bus fare concession while benefitting from an overall substantial discount in the cost of living by pretending to migrate to Mexico under extended FM-3 tourist visas and inwardly deploring the inconveniences imposed by an unaccustomed culture? These same people who drive around Lakeside with expired U.S. or current South Dakota plates issued by a corrupt state agent in Clay County, S.D. and complain about corruption in Mexico while pumping their own tangential local status with phony papers as dishonest and less productive than the campesino cleaning toilets in a WalMart in Des Moines with a phony visa or no papers at all.

Hypocrites to the core.

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Post by gringal on Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:34 pm

Carry Bean wrote:I think tenencia in Jalisco ended this year.

We bought a new Mexican plated car last year and there had been a special lifting of the tenencia fees to help stimulate new car sales. This year we had to pay the tenencia, but it expires as of 2012. We hope it doesn't get somehow re-upped, but in any case we are glad to be free of the CA plates. The cops are no longer interested in us, it would seem. That is a good thing.

As I understand the rules, you must get Mexican plated right away if you are on a working FM2 visa, as Spencer is. Considering that Mexican mechanics are good with VW products, it will probably pay him to keep that car well into its old age.

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Post by papirex on Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:45 pm

The tenencia will never go away. Tenencia means to hold, or possess, it is the equivalent of the annual registration fees paid every year NOB. What is supposed to end is the special 10% tax on new cars imposed to pay for the 1968 Olympic Games, to be paid over a ten year period at the time the tenencia is paid.

Many people have confused that special tax with the tenencia itself, which will never go away. We have had 2 Mexican plated cars for several years here. We nationalized our originally US registered cars under 2 different vehicle amnesties several years ago. Both of them were over ten years old and no additional taxes were ever required for them, but the annual tenencia always has been.

We replaced one of those cars with a new van a few years ago, and I plan to replace my 26 year old Oldsmobile in the next few months. I just paid the tenencia for it, it will never go away. The tenencia on the Olds also expires in 2012. That means it will need to be renewed then, it will never go away.

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Post by ferret on Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:51 pm

hound dog wrote:[quote="ferretI totally agree with you Dawg. It irritates the hell out of me that people drive NOB cars with outdated license plates and crow about it.


Tell me, ferret, do you suppose there is at least the possibility that these "carpetbaggers" who infest our Lake Chapala shores as those carpetbaggers who poured into Atlanta and New Orleans and Mobile after the Civil War, came here for indirect pecuniary gain? Are these the same redux-adolescent goobers who find it deplorable for some to take the INAPAM bus fare concession while benefitting from an overall substantial discount in the cost of living by pretending to migrate to Mexico under extended FM-3 tourist visas and inwardly deploring the inconveniences imposed by an unaccustomed culture? These same people who drive around Lakeside with expired U.S. or current South Dakota plates issued by a corrupt state agent in Clay County, S.D. and complain about corruption in Mexico while pumping their own tangential local status with phony papers as dishonest and less productive than the campesino cleaning toilets in a WalMart in Des Moines with a phony visa or no papers at all.

Hypocrites to the core. [/quote]

You should copy that and keep it somewhere safe Dawg. That's damn fine writin'.


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