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Post by dichosalocura on Fri May 11, 2018 4:57 pm

Mentioning muscadine grapes, another interesting and cool option would be to get a Brazilian Jaboticaba tree. I call mine my grape tree and it produces a black,grape like fruit that tastes very similar to a muscadine grape but they grow oddly up and down just the trunk and not on the branches like other fruit trees. The San Antonio nursery has them from time to time. There are a lot of recipes for making jaboticaba wine on google. I don't think you will have much plaga problems with this tree here. I planted mine from seed two years ago, so I am still waiting for mine to give fruit. I saw one medium sized one not long ago at the nursery in SA and it was covered in the black jaboticaba grapes. It is a very interesting looking tree!

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Post by brigitte on Fri May 11, 2018 7:54 pm

scuppernong and muscadine are native to the southeast of the US and the French grew those in Alabama when they first arrived.. they are awful but they are grapes and being native they resist a lot of diseases , They do grow in the southeast so I do not see why they would not grow here..they are pretty awful but they are grapes..and if you grown them for the look rather tan the taste go for it..

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Post by brigitte on Sat May 12, 2018 4:58 pm

The man who sells fruit trees on the side of the carretera in West Ajijic has red and white seedless grapes called crimson.

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Post by CanuckBob on Sat May 12, 2018 5:52 pm

Thanks brigitte.

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Post by simpsca on Sun May 13, 2018 12:27 am

CanuckBob wrote:Thanks, I will check them out. Where exactly in SJC are they?

The vivero in San Juan Cosala is past the Raquet Club and after about two or three topes. It's on your left on the highway and they always have an assortment of flowering plants along the highway. It's two blocks before the only traffic light in SJC.

Another vivero that will order special plants for you is in Jocototpc. It's across from the Pemex as you almost enter the 4 lane area by Frieda's Restaurant. Across from the Pemex is an Oxxo and on the street behind Oxxo is a large vivero. He has ordered things like meyer lemon trees for friends.
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Post by Gamina on Sun May 13, 2018 2:01 pm

I've found that grapes need a frost to put the last bit of sugar into them. Otherwise, they are not as sweet as one would like for table grapes and not enough sugar content for good fermentation. But that's just me. YMMV
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Post by Gamina on Sun May 13, 2018 2:36 pm

brigitte wrote:here is the link to the picture gallery , the flowers are yellow and red.. I have not seen them here but I bet some people will recognize them
https://www.paradorsantamaria.com.mx/galeria/

The brown and yellow flowers hanging from the arbor are a variety of thumbergia. The vivero behind SuperLake has them sometimes. The vivero next to Telemx, when it was operating, had a huge one growing on their arbor. Just FYI.
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Post by brigitte on Sun May 13, 2018 2:41 pm

Thanks, I love them , yes you are right I remember seeing some at the vivero behind SL..

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Post by CanuckBob on Tue May 15, 2018 1:02 pm

I ordered some grape vine seeds from Amazon. I ordered there different varieties. Concorde, French Cabernet and Frontenac blue. Guess we'll see how they do.

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Post by Cincy on Wed May 16, 2018 6:26 pm

Bob, Are you sure you want to grow concord grapes?  Good for making jelly but they taste like bubble gum!  Thumbs down

The dog groomers near the entrance to Mirasol, between SA and Riberas have a high arbor with a good healthy look vine with bunches of green grapes hanging.

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Post by brigitte on Wed May 16, 2018 6:35 pm

THe jaboticaba is a tree not a vine and Bob wanted a vine. I just saw the Jaboticaba tree at the nursery on the side of the road in West Ajijic or west San Juan,,,The berries are really good.

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Post by cypress on Wed May 16, 2018 6:42 pm

Gamina wrote:
brigitte wrote:here is the link to the picture gallery , the flowers are yellow and red.. I have not seen them here but I bet some people will recognize them
https://www.paradorsantamaria.com.mx/galeria/

The brown and yellow flowers hanging from the arbor are a variety of thumbergia.  The vivero behind SuperLake has them sometimes.  The vivero next to Telemx, when it was operating, had a huge one growing on their arbor.  Just FYI.
Thunbergia mysorensis also known as the Indian clock vine. When you watch it flower you will see why it is called that. Mine grew well until it died.

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Post by brigitte on Wed May 16, 2018 6:52 pm

did some fungus or bug kill it ot it just passed out suddenly?

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Post by CanuckBob on Wed May 16, 2018 7:45 pm

Cincy wrote:Bob, Are you sure you want to grow concord grapes?  Good for making jelly but they taste like bubble gum!  Thumbs down

The dog groomers near the entrance to Mirasol, between SA and Riberas have a high arbor with a good healthy look vine with bunches of green grapes hanging.

I guess taste is a matter of opinion. I grew concordes in Vancouver and love them. Bubblegum??? I think not.  I do think cilantro tastes like dish soap though.......

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concord_grape

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Post by cypress on Wed May 16, 2018 8:02 pm

brigitte wrote:did some fungus or bug kill it ot it just passed out suddenly?
It died slowly from?

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Post by brigitte on Wed May 16, 2018 9:48 pm

Ha ha..old age?

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Post by borderreiver on Wed May 16, 2018 11:22 pm

5 % of the population is genetically indisposed to cilantro. To them it tastes like soap. There ya go Bob.

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Post by cypress on Thu May 17, 2018 7:08 am

brigitte wrote:Ha ha..old age?
Who knows. To me it is quite mysterious why many plants die. It probably wasn't old age as it was only a couple of years old. I had a passion fruit vine that did very well for several years and then died. Nothing obvious above ground. I tried 3 avocado trees but all died. In places my soil had a lot of clay and the roots seemed to rot.

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Post by CanuckBob on Thu May 17, 2018 7:31 am

I had a passion fruit vine that did the exact same thing. Flourished for a couple of years then just died. I read somewhere that after they bear fruit they die.

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Post by brigitte on Thu May 17, 2018 9:28 am

what does" indisposed to cilantro" mean? They do not like it= They are allergic or what else?

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Post by Rosa Venus on Thu May 17, 2018 9:30 am

I'm one of the 5% "indisposed" to cilantro. Not allergic, I just don't like it. It indeed tastes like soap to me.
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Post by CanuckBob on Thu May 17, 2018 10:36 am

Funny thing is I'm not a big fan of lime either so I usually order "sin limon y sin cilantro"......I don't even like lime in my rum & coke....jaja.

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Post by brigitte on Thu May 17, 2018 11:55 am

no lime and no cilantro, that is a tough one in Mexico!!



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Post by CHILLIN on Thu May 17, 2018 2:39 pm

A lot of the plants here seem to need deep root systems, and not too much water. When you seedlings are safe to put outside, dig a deep hole, then a couple shovels full of leaf compost, then loosen the soil with perlite pellets from Laura's Garden Center in Ribaras. When moist, it should just barely clump in your hand. They seem to be attracted to the compost like a magnet, and once the roots hit it, they really take off.
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Post by CanuckBob on Thu May 17, 2018 2:47 pm

brigitte wrote:no lime and no cilantro, that is a tough one in Mexico!!



Well if you stay away from the ceviche and guacamole it isn't a problem at all....... Beer

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Post by Carry Bean on Thu May 17, 2018 4:41 pm

Yeah, they served lime with the fish and chips today but tasted ok to me.

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