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Post by CanuckBob on Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:24 pm

All drones will require registration and you must be a Mexican citizen to register one.


The smaller classes of drones don’t require a license but do require registration which, according to the newspaper El Financiero, also requires Mexican citizenship.

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Post by CanuckBob on Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:26 pm

Of course like most laws in Mexico, enforcement of these regulations will be non-existent.

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Post by Chapala Drone on Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:34 pm

CanuckBob wrote:All drones will require registration and you must be a Mexican citizen to register one.


The smaller classes of drones don’t require a license but do require registration which, according to the newspaper El Financiero, also requires Mexican citizenship.
So do you think the Mexican government will refuse to recognize a U.S. drone license and registration unlike they do with a pilot license or a drivers licenses or car gegistration..? I suspect they will recognize it and will fallow suit with the US and other nations as far as "registration" and laws. What I find absolutely hysterical is they are regulating Drones but there is absolutely no regulations for skydiving...

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Post by CanuckBob on Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:45 pm

According to all the articles I have read in Mexican publications, ALL drones will require registration. ONLY MEXICAN CITIZENS can register a drone. I understand they will be requiring a voters card or passport to register. No, they will not be recognizing other countries licensing at this point. No, I don't agree with any of this.

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Post by Chapala Drone on Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:49 pm

CanuckBob wrote:According to all the articles I have read in Mexican publications, ALL drones will require registration. ONLY MEXICAN CITIZENS can register a drone. I understand they will be requiring a voters card or passport to register. No, they will not be recognizing other countries licensing at this point. No, I don't agree with any of this.

I don't disagree with anything you have said. All I can say is welcome to Mexico. What I posted is inline with the rest of the world and is also my understanding of reading the law (I don't read Spanish (google)). Are you right or I...? who knows lol


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If you are right, my 6yo will be breaking Mexican law this year with his little toy. Based on what I see in the stores, I tend to lean to the 2kg no requirement. After all what about the kids...

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Post by espíritu del lago on Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:41 am

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Lady Otter Latté wrote:Chapala Drone, I do not understand why you are willing to publically make vague accusations of wrong doing but when asked for examples you want to talk privately. I assume you have reasons and would appreciate you sharing at least that publically.

One of the issues is ongoing so I don't care to get into it. As to the other two. I have been told that the Dine with the Shrine will be held in a restaurant of someone who has been convicted of a crime. I have been told that the reason for going ahead and using this person is because "they have served their time" (understandable IMO). They are doing this because it benefits them.  I personally have been ostracized for telling a group of individuals who chose to talk about me behind my back to "F off".

So I am giving my opinion about this organization just like others have. You can take my opinion or you can decide I am an unreliable source. The choice is yours. Some support them, others do not.

As for Drones. I'll try to educate one time...

This is the most accurate and current information I can find to post as reference. https://dronereviewsandnews.com/taking-your-drone-to-mexico-what-to-know-before-you-go/

   All drone flights must be operated in daylight only
   There are no laws on operating drones weighing under 2kg other than they cannot be used at night
   A permit is required for operation of drones weighing between 2kg and 25kg
   A permit and pilot license are required for operation of drones weighing over 25kg
   
So based on the Mexico weight guidelines a Mavic Pro would not need a permit to be flown in Mexico because it weights less than 2 kg. A Phantom 4 Pro drone, which weighs just over 1.38kg, would also not require a permit.

A DJI Inspire 1 or Inspire 2 drone would require a permit, as they weighs just over 2.845kg and 3.44kg respectively.


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Has any one been to any mall in Guadalajara.... DROOOOONES!!!!!!!!!


"As for Drones. I'll try to educate one time...

This is the most accurate and current information I can find to post as reference. https://dronereviewsandnews.com/taking-your-drone-to-mexico-what-to-know-before-you-go/

   All drone flights must be operated in daylight only
   There are no laws on operating drones weighing under 2kg other than they cannot be used at night
   A permit is required for operation of drones weighing between 2kg and 25kg
   A permit and pilot license are required for operation of drones weighing over 25kg
   
So based on the Mexico weight guidelines a Mavic Pro would not need a permit to be flown in Mexico because it weights less than 2 kg. A Phantom 4 Pro drone, which weighs just over 1.38kg, would also not require a permit.

A DJI Inspire 1 or Inspire 2 drone would require a permit, as they weighs just over 2.845kg and 3.44kg respectively."


Timely information indeed! Thank you for posting! I'll be in touch with a friend who is familiar with operating drones in various South American countries and various other countries. For the record, I agree with everything you posted about flying drones in Mexico. Thank you for the link.
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Post by CanuckBob on Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:29 am

Chapala Drone wrote:If you are right, my 6yo will be breaking Mexican law this year with his little toy. Based on what I see in the stores, I tend to lean to the 2kg no requirement. After all what about the kids...

I imagine they will define each drone sold as either a "toy" (no camera, very small, very limited range, no autonomous flight) or a "drone". The ones that are deemed to be "drones" will require registration upon purchase. This is where you would require a voters card or passport.

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Post by CanuckBob on Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:37 am

espíritu del lago wrote:
Chapala Drone wrote:
Lady Otter Latté wrote:Chapala Drone, I do not understand why you are willing to publically make vague accusations of wrong doing but when asked for examples you want to talk privately. I assume you have reasons and would appreciate you sharing at least that publically.

One of the issues is ongoing so I don't care to get into it. As to the other two. I have been told that the Dine with the Shrine will be held in a restaurant of someone who has been convicted of a crime. I have been told that the reason for going ahead and using this person is because "they have served their time" (understandable IMO). They are doing this because it benefits them.  I personally have been ostracized for telling a group of individuals who chose to talk about me behind my back to "F off".

So I am giving my opinion about this organization just like others have. You can take my opinion or you can decide I am an unreliable source. The choice is yours. Some support them, others do not.

As for Drones. I'll try to educate one time...

This is the most accurate and current information I can find to post as reference. https://dronereviewsandnews.com/taking-your-drone-to-mexico-what-to-know-before-you-go/

   All drone flights must be operated in daylight only
   There are no laws on operating drones weighing under 2kg other than they cannot be used at night
   A permit is required for operation of drones weighing between 2kg and 25kg
   A permit and pilot license are required for operation of drones weighing over 25kg
   
So based on the Mexico weight guidelines a Mavic Pro would not need a permit to be flown in Mexico because it weights less than 2 kg. A Phantom 4 Pro drone, which weighs just over 1.38kg, would also not require a permit.

A DJI Inspire 1 or Inspire 2 drone would require a permit, as they weighs just over 2.845kg and 3.44kg respectively.


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Has any one been to any mall in Guadalajara.... DROOOOONES!!!!!!!!!


"As for Drones. I'll try to educate one time...

This is the most accurate and current information I can find to post as reference. https://dronereviewsandnews.com/taking-your-drone-to-mexico-what-to-know-before-you-go/

   All drone flights must be operated in daylight only
   There are no laws on operating drones weighing under 2kg other than they cannot be used at night
   A permit is required for operation of drones weighing between 2kg and 25kg
   A permit and pilot license are required for operation of drones weighing over 25kg
   
So based on the Mexico weight guidelines a Mavic Pro would not need a permit to be flown in Mexico because it weights less than 2 kg. A Phantom 4 Pro drone, which weighs just over 1.38kg, would also not require a permit.

A DJI Inspire 1 or Inspire 2 drone would require a permit, as they weighs just over 2.845kg and 3.44kg respectively."


Timely information indeed! Thank you for posting! I'll be in touch with a friend who is familiar with operating drones in various South American countries and various other countries. For the record, I agree with everything you posted about flying drones in Mexico. Thank you for the link.

These are the 2015 drone regulations not the new regulations that just came into effect. Check the dates on all your articles.

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Post by gringal on Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:15 am

As of December first, the new regulations went into effect.

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Post by CanuckBob on Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:07 pm

Correct and everything cited above, from what I can tell, are from the 2015 regulations. They have tightened things up significantly. I imagine this is in part because the larger drones have become a major player in the narcotics smuggling business.

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Post by Chapala Drone on Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:42 pm

CanuckBob wrote:Correct and everything cited above, from what I can tell, are from the 2015 regulations. They have tightened things up significantly. I imagine this is in part because the larger drones have become a major player in the narcotics smuggling business.



That link is from May 2017, my understanding is that they are based on the 2017 laws as this is how they are written (3 classifications). I am unaware of any 2015 laws other than you could not fly at night. In 2017 thing got tighter. I have also not been able to find any new laws after 2017. If you are aware of new ones, please post a link, I would love to read them (if I can..). Yes we have seen people talking, and articles written, but where are the facts..? The only thing that I can find that is changing from the 2017 laws is the fine (there was none before), but even that is speculation as no official documentation can be found to support it.
I believe you are correct that this is because of the larger drones but not for the reason you posted "narcos". Everything is about money. The government already has ways to take money from narcos. With Amazon, Dominos, Etc. threatening to deliver via drones, the government wants to make sure they are getting their share... IMO this has absolutely nothing to do with safety (skydiving regulations? hu)... It's all about the MONEY and people who fly toy drones aren't the ones the government is going after IMO. To me the 2017 laws make sense because they have a place for toy drones, intermediate, and Pro. The way you guys are making it sound (and the media), there is no place for the kids... Where do the kids fit into you scenario?


gringal wrote:As of December first, the new regulations went into effect.

Now who is making accusations and refusing to back them up with facts...? What are these new regulations you speak of?


Ok, I'm off this topic. I attempted one more time than I said I would. Good luck in your search....

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Post by Trailrunner on Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:52 pm

Why do kids need to have drones?
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Post by Chapala Drone on Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:54 pm

Trailrunner wrote:Why do kids need to have drones?

Why do kids need to have any toy....... I don't know, ask them. Why do adults need toys?

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Post by Carry Bean on Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:32 pm

Chapala Drone wrote:
Trailrunner wrote:Why do kids need to have drones?

Why do kids need to have any toy....... I don't know, ask them. Why do adults need toys?

To keep us out of pool halls and other dens of iniquity? scratch

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Post by CanuckBob on Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:13 am

Thanks Ferret. The first and third link talk about the new regulations that just came into effect on Dec. 1, 2018.

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Post by Chapala Drone on Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:39 am

CanuckBob wrote:Thanks Ferret. The first and third link talk about the new regulations that just came into effect on Dec. 1, 2018.
These are EXACTLY what I am talking about. These are the 2017 laws (Not 2018) and has a 3 tier system (as I have said). The "news" article is just someone talking and has POOR factual information. For instance, "Flying a drone without a license will become punishable with a potentially stiff fine in two months, but foreigners needn’t apply." As you yourself (Bob) has agreed, this statement if false. You yourself have said that given a certain weight, a license is NOT required but "registration" is. This information does not support your clam, it supports mine. Here is a good quote from the last link. "Multiple Mexican publications have stated that drone operators will be required to obtain a license in order to fly a drone in Mexico, and that these regulations will go into effect on Dec. 1, 2018. However, the DGCA has not yet shared information on how to obtain a license." Also, the website that people are REQUIRED to go to, to register their drones, does not even exist! As I have said before, it is pointless to talk to people who refuse to listen....  Please post up the NEW laws that you speak of. If not, you are only making thing worse! Dead Horse Dead Horse Dead Horse

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Post by gringal on Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:35 am

In the event that you really want to know about the new regulations, Senor Google has multiple references, and you also can consult the government agency that issues licences.

This one seems pretty clear on the December 1, 2018 regulations:

https://uavcoach.com/drone-laws-in-mexico/

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Post by ferret on Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:50 am

Thank you gringal. That's why I posted it. It has CONTACT information for Chapala Drone to find out for himself.
HE is the one with the drone. HE is the one that may be flying illegally. HE is the one that will pay the fines.
This is Mexico. Remember? Just because you don't get a bill doesn't mean that you don't have to pay it... like Telmex or CFE or?
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Post by gringal on Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:26 am

ferret wrote:Thank you gringal. That's why I posted it. It has CONTACT information for Chapala Drone to find out for himself.
HE is the one with the drone. HE is the one that may be flying illegally. HE is the one that will pay the fines.
This is Mexico. Remember? Just because you don't get a bill doesn't mean that you don't have to pay it... like Telmex or CFE or?

Sorry.  I didn't notice you already posted that link, but it was a good one.  My take on this, is that it's a case of "I didn't know there was a law against that".   Shocked  (Translation: "I didn't want to know".)

Once some bad guys started using drones for drug purposes, it will probably garner more attention from the authorities than it has so far. The drone fan on here has been doing a good thing recording the Open Circle events, but that could be accomplished with a hand held camera.

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Post by Trailrunner on Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:50 am

There is talk on FB about bad people using drones to scope out the layout of a house and neighborhood and watch the goings-on of the occupants to decide the best way to rob them.
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Post by Chapala Drone on Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:52 am

ferret wrote:Thank you gringal. That's why I posted it. It has CONTACT information for Chapala Drone to find out for himself.
HE is the one with the drone. HE is the one that may be flying illegally. HE is the one that will pay the fines.
This is Mexico. Remember? Just because you don't get a bill doesn't mean that you don't have to pay it... like Telmex or CFE or?
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ferret wrote:Thank you gringal. That's why I posted it. It has CONTACT information for Chapala Drone to find out for himself.
HE is the one with the drone. HE is the one that may be flying illegally. HE is the one that will pay the fines.
This is Mexico. Remember? Just because you don't get a bill doesn't mean that you don't have to pay it... like Telmex or CFE or?

Sorry.  I didn't notice you already posted that link, but it was a good one.  My take on this, is that it's a case of "I didn't know there was a law against that".   Shocked  (Translation: "I didn't want to know".)

Once some bad guys started using drones for drug purposes, it will probably garner more attention from the authorities than it has so far.  The drone fan on here has been doing a good thing recording the Open Circle events, but that could be accomplished with a hand held camera.

Thanks you both for proving my point... Why do I even try...

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Post by Lady Otter Latté on Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:25 am

Indeed, why?
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Post by DaveP on Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:54 am

Interesting reading however the following rule seems to affect the area

Drones must stay 9.2 kilometers (5 nautical miles) away from any aerodrome.

Maybe all the comments are null and void as all of Chapala and Ajijic are withing 9.2k from the airport in Santa Cruz.
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Post by Trailrunner on Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:05 am

Sounds about right to me, DaveP.
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