Love in Action

What if some others that were helping a while back, quietly stepped aside without making a public spectacle of themselves when newcomers came in and started "butting in." Maybe those that quietly stepped aside will come back. Maybe. It's a thought. It's like any office change. When office changes, people leave if they don't like the new administration and they stay or come back if they like it or after testing the waters they like it. Unfortunately, people get their feelings hurt when changes happen that they don't like. I've had my feelings hurt before when changes were made but I find something else to do. I just don't participate in it. If the place is in as bad repair as Coones reported, could it get much worse? Seems it can only get better.

I don't think their supporters are limiting them to only doing building repairs, in fact, if funds are going through their ministry, unless specified what exactly it is going towards their supporters trust them to be wise stewards of their money. I see accountability for their spending, they are reporting back to their supporters for what happened to the funds they sent. We don't know if they sent out a special email asking for sponsors for the retreat. There's nothing there that should be any big deal. Once again, mark an offering for LiA building repairs, clothing for children or school supplies, food and they are obligated to use it for those needs. Undesignated funds are used at the discretion of the ministry.

Chapalagringa:
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You're so silly. Keep digging using google and you'll find your answer. From my understanding, originally, they headed to Guadalajara, and probably the site hasn't been updated since they moved down here in the past year or so. Shall we be shocked together! I just don't see anything shocking about what she wrote...[b]it's like desperately looking for something to hate them for. lol She appears to be a very sweet & transparent person."

What's with the "hate" stuff? Or the "shocking" stuff? Nonsense. I don't hate anyone and at this point, nothing much shocks me.

The only source of information about the group is on the web.
If you want to update it, please do so.

There are many people, including me, who have expressed approval of helping the kids whether we like the religious side of it or not.

If the group thinks it's necessary to send a couple of busloads to Guanajuato to get inspired........I think it's a waste of money that should have gone to more practical purposes, but I'm not coming from your point of view.....and I'm not dispersing the money, either. Fortunately, most of us are ignoring that and hoping the kids' needs are being dealt with, first and foremost.

So how about just being glad most us, with some exceptions, are focused on the kids, not the church?

Chapalagringa,

Are you a politician? If not, you should be. Your deceptions are phrased so sweetly, your true intent so cleverly disguised.

You want these kids to accept Christ as their personal saviour and you are willing to say almost anything to allow that to occur.

If it isn't so, say it isn't so.

Otherwise, you are nothing but a pimp for Christ.

HelperGuy wrote:David's right... with them removing attacks like "the enemy" and couching their logic in more "comfortable" language, I'd be even more suspicious.

I'm sure that using the terminology "the enemy" was and is always just that, the enemy the devil. People are not the enemy. The enemy brings discord, disagreements, and disunity. He can use people. Even me, if I were being nasty. Ask yourself was this phraseology used in a meeting with folks in general or was this a prayer request to their ministry supporters that know them and someone snooped around looking for something to be offended by? I'd have to say the latter. But correct me if I'm wrong. I wasn't there. When people feel their peace is robbed, they may say the enemy is trying to rob my peace. It doesn't mean that because their son is doing drugs and it concerns them that their son is the enemy. But rather, they feel the enemy is trying to destroy their son. So if they asked for prayer that the enemy not destroy the ministry. They were feeling discord, disagreements and disunity. A house divided cannot stand, right? Probably all of you have seen a church split. Were all those people the enemy? No, they weren't but the enemy got in there and they turned against one another and it split.

Axixic, jajaja Of course I want everyone to accept Jesus Christ as their Savior. But it's not my choice. I respect others and have read and gathered that many people down here from the states have had really horrible experiences with "Christians" that really weren't Christians at all. I'm far from politician.

If your intent is to have these children accept Christ as their personal saviour then your true intent is NOT to help but to convert.

You are a bad person. Period. Full stop. Nothing more to be said.

Leave them kids alone.

[quote="gringal"]Chapalagringa:

You're so silly. Keep digging using google and you'll find your answer. From my understanding, originally, they headed to Guadalajara, and probably the site hasn't been updated since they moved down here in the past year or so. Shall we be shocked together! I just don't see anything shocking about what she wrote...[b]it's like desperately looking for something to hate them for. lol She appears to be a very sweet & transparent person."

What's with the "hate" stuff? Or the "shocking" stuff? Nonsense. I don't hate anyone and at this point, nothing much shocks me.

The only source of information about the group is on the web.
If you want to update it, please do so.

There are many people, including me, who have expressed approval of helping the kids whether we like the religious side of it or not.

If the group thinks it's necessary to send a couple of busloads to Guanajuato to get inspired........I think it's a waste of money that should have gone to more practical purposes, but I'm not coming from your point of view.....and I'm not dispersing the money, either. Fortunately, most of us are ignoring that and hoping the kids' needs are being dealt with, first and foremost.

So how about just being glad most us, with some exceptions, are focused on the kids, not the church?

I don't think we've mentioned anything about hate gringal. I was teasing about the shock that they were moving to a big city and landed in SAT. That's all. ok you may not have even said shock, it was the smily & I read shock while typing my post.

The use of the term "enemy" was clear and the Advisory Committee took it as such. Lori, you can't backpeddle for them so please stopy speculating on who they are and what they're up to. Face it, they've already done irreputable harm to the organization by driving away their key financial backers. Niether you nor they know "what's best" for these kids. Especially you since you got dogma to sell. It's just plain dishonest to say otherwise. You may not be a bad person but you've got an agenda and IMHO that's dangerous.

[quote="Chapalagringa

I just don't see anything shocking about what she wrote...it's like desperately looking for something to hate them for. lol She appears to be a very sweet & transparent person. [/quote]

This is what you wrote. Shocking was what she posted on their website referring to the Advisory Committee as the "enemy." It was clear who she was referring to. BTW, there is no "devil."

Lori. Chapalagringa is Lori? The same Lori who years ago was cute and chatty on C.com - and clearly with her Jesus agenda there too? One and the same? Well, until her agenda went something like this thread is going and her pastor husband (according to her post) said he could no longer allow her to post on C.com. She moved on. She seems like a nice person, but definitely god squad and with a convert agenda.

Lori. Do she and her pastor husband have the church on the carretera in SAT? The one that some of their dignitaries use to give credibility to their feed-the-kids program in SAT? The one where the kids are held and hugged and squeezed and handled while mom looks away because they are going home with full bellies?

If so, you will never get anything but rhetoric from Chapalagringa. If you are a different Lori, please, tell us who you are and what you are about.

TIA

Chapalagringa: Once you've typed it, it's a done deal, so "woman up" and live with it.
What you said was:"it's like desperately looking for something to hate them for. "

It's like politicians talking out of both sides of their mouths. You're too strong a person to go there, so don't.

gringal wrote:Chapalagringa: Once you've typed it, it's a done deal, so "woman up" and live with it.
What you said was:"it's like desperately looking for something to hate them for. "

It's like politicians talking out of both sides of their mouths. You're too strong a person to go there, so don't.

yes, yes I did write it and had already forgotten I did...sorry.

Well, hope John was glad to have the night off. lol (if you don't get it, don't worry about it.)

Oh, everyone gets it.

Sadly you, like John, do not.

Yep, I gave John and Dan the night off. They needed a break from being the forum punching bag. lol

Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like a duck...

Why would anyone think it was a dove?

After looking at this thread, I conclude it may as well find its way to the Octagon since it is so full of misinformation and the usual personal nastiness that seems to characterize many of the participants on this board.

So carry on your little hate fest without me.

LIA's head, Anabel Frutos will be submitting a statement for publication to the GDL Reporter.

I doubt that will get the supporters back. They're well known, respected, and been here way longer than you MC. They have the creds, the others do not regardless of what Anabel says "for publication."

Interesting that you say there's misinformation in this thread but make no attempt to clarify anything. Maybe because you've not really been involved with LiA very long? Maybe you don't know the "real" story.

There's really no point David. Believe what you like. Like much of what goes on over here, this thread is just another lefty hate fest, this time agaiinst people you don't know and Christianity in general.

Have fun.

Chapalagringa wrote:I'm sure that using the terminology "the enemy" was and is always just that, the enemy the devil.

It's pretty damned clear, as David has already said, that the reference to "the devil" was pointedly aimed at the Advisory Council and anyone on their side. Tossing around the term "the devil" to obfuscate the facts has always been pretty damned transparent to the rest of the world, too, in case you hadn't noticed.

Mainecoons wrote: Like much of what goes on over here, this thread is just another lefty hate fest, this time agaiinst people you don't know and Christianity in general.

Have fun.

This is just a continuation of the same discussion that was started (and now probably deleted or edited) on Crapola, Coons. Although probably a "righty" hate fest over there, eh?

David wrote:I doubt that will get the supporters back. They're well known, respected, and been here way longer than you MC. They have the creds, the others do not regardless of what Anabel says "for publication."

Interesting that you say there's misinformation in this thread but make no attempt to clarify anything. Maybe because you've not really been involved with LiA very long? Maybe you don't know the "real" story.

O.K. David why don’t you tell us all how you perceive the real story to be.

Once again, MC seems to be frustrated by a thread he cannot control. Injecting his opinion that it belongs in the Octagon and that there was a political agenda speaks for itself.

CheenaGringo wrote:Once again, MC seems to be frustrated by a thread he cannot control. Injecting his opinion that it belongs in the Octagon and that there was a political agenda speaks for itself.

Ditto
On TOB, the moderator locked the thread, because of the 'moderator'.
A 'leftist' agenda??...Now that's a stretch. The parties involved are named Romey...not Romney.
MC is probably one of the people that said "The Lorax" was a political movie.

Pardon my cynicism, but my observation is that more acrimony is generated by and within religious and political groups than anyplace else.
John Lennon's "Imagine" says it, and it's true.

@ this venture this is beating a putting it to rest until further development makes sense unless you want to be redundant.

Anyone who wants to know the story can read about it in the Guad Reporter, letters to the GR, and posts on TOB and draw their own conclusions. The simple fact that the row over the so-called "mission statement" resulted in the mass resignation of the Advisory Committee, all of whom were major donors, is indication enough that "palace coup" occurred, orchestrated by the newcomers, not residents, with a fundamentalist religious agenda. Their agenda was obviously more important to them than the financial well-being of the organization as demonstrated by their unwillingness to compromise and the subsequant departure of the AC, several volunteers and donors. As near as I can determine, those are facts. Stating and discussing those facts is not a "hate-fest. Further, there's nothing "lefty" about criticizing poor management or their hard stand taken on principle that has had a negative impact. I fostered no attack on "Christianity." Allowing a disagreement over a few "christian" words in a "mission statement" to drive away major supporters is just plain stupid and totally irresponsible.