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Post by Jim W on Wed May 22, 2013 4:39 pm

My understanding is effective 1/1/14 all US Citizens are required to carry medical insurance? Has anyone received info regarding the issue, and how it will apply to expats?

I tried to sign up my wife under the affordable care act, and was advised there is zero money available now. Just trying to figure out what penalties one might face for non compliance.

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Post by David on Wed May 22, 2013 5:04 pm

Expats are exempt.
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Post by itsme on Wed May 22, 2013 5:07 pm

Penalty right now is $600.00, this will be increased after the election to $900.00. Insurance must cover eveything including maternity, pre-natal, pediatric, orthodontic, etc. LOL, like the seniors really need that.

Ex-pats can avoid having to comply if they are permanently living out of country. This means for 330 days/year. One is allowed in the states for 35 days/year. IRS may check passport info for this? They do everything else.

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Post by Jim W on Wed May 22, 2013 5:07 pm

Not good, wife can't get insurance here, but medical is affordable, and cost NOB since is out of question. I wonder since she isn't on SS, I am covered on Medicare, spend 60% time in US, wondering if they will hit me for penalty....if they do.....good reason to get a divorce, then she gets public assistance....LOL.....scary deal finacially. Shocked


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Post by David on Wed May 22, 2013 5:11 pm

[quote="itsme"]Penalty right now is $600.00, this will be increased after the election to $900.00. Insurance must cover eveything including maternity, pre-natal, pediatric, orthodontic, etc. LOL, like the seniors really need that.

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Seniors are covered by Medicare.
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Post by CheenaGringo on Wed May 22, 2013 5:13 pm

Jim:

Since you have plenty of time on your hands, here is a PDF file for your reading pleasure:
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3590enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr3590enr.pdf

The entire Affordable Care Act is boiled down to a mere 906 pages. Have fun reading and a test will follow.

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Post by Jim W on Wed May 22, 2013 5:14 pm

itsme wrote:Penalty right now is $600.00, this will be increased after the election to $900.00. Insurance must cover eveything including maternity, pre-natal, pediatric, orthodontic, etc. LOL, like the seniors really need that.

Ex-pats can avoid having to comply if they are permanently living out of country. This means for 330 days/year. One is allowed in the states for 35 days/year. IRS may check passport info for this? They do everything else.


Geez itsme, does it cover Viagra too? Beer
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Post by Jim W on Wed May 22, 2013 5:15 pm

CheenaGringo wrote:Jim:

Since you have plenty of time on your hands, here is a PDF file for your reading pleasure:
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3590enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr3590enr.pdf

The entire Affordable Care Act is boiled down to a mere 906 pages. Have fun reading and a test will follow.


DOES IT COME IN AUDIO?
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Post by CheenaGringo on Wed May 22, 2013 5:21 pm

Certainly when you read the entire 906 pages to Deb!

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Post by CanuckBob on Wed May 22, 2013 5:23 pm

Seems to me you should sell that place in Phoenix and just stay in Mexico Fulltime. Probably a lot cheaper in the long run......
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Post by Jim W on Wed May 22, 2013 5:30 pm

The fishin is better that's for sure!
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Post by Jim W on Wed May 22, 2013 5:34 pm

itsme wrote:Penalty right now is $600.00, this will be increased after the election to $900.00. Insurance must cover eveything including maternity, pre-natal, pediatric, orthodontic, etc. LOL, like the seniors really need that.

Ex-pats can avoid having to comply if they are permanently living out of country. This means for 330 days/year. One is allowed in the states for 35 days/year. IRS may check passport info for this? They do everything else.


itsme, have they published minimum income levels, for compliance....one spouse on SS & Medicare, the other not on either, can't possibly pay for insurance, let alone penalty. Just Wunderin?
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Post by itsme on Wed May 22, 2013 6:56 pm

[quote="David"]
itsme wrote:Penalty right now is $600.00, this will be increased after the election to $900.00. Insurance must cover eveything including maternity, pre-natal, pediatric, orthodontic, etc. LOL, like the seniors really need that.

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Seniors are covered by Medicare.

With Medicare one is required to have SUPPLEMENTAL insurance, I believe that is called "Part B". This is where the penalty comes in. If you are a permanent resident of another country, you do not get Medicare. I gather one cannot have it both ways. Have to stay out of the US. I also understand O'care was to bring down costs per family $250.00, but it has risen by $3,000.00.

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Post by Jim W on Wed May 22, 2013 7:15 pm

I have Healthnet of Arizona as my supplemental part B and there is no extra charge, works like a HMO. As long as I am not out of country more than 3 consecutive months I am covered in an emergency, however must pay out of pocket and submit for reimbursement.

ITSME, O Care is a joke......JUST SAYIN....don't think it's gonna be implemented.....certainly not on schedule.
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Post by David on Wed May 22, 2013 8:08 pm

[quote="itsme
With Medicare one is required to have SUPPLEMENTAL insurance, I believe that is called "Part B". This is where the penalty comes in. If you are a permanent resident of another country, you do not get Medicare. I gather one cannot have it both ways. Have to stay out of the US. I also understand O'care was to bring down costs per family $250.00, but it has risen by $3,000.00. [/quote]

I had not heard that Part B was required. If so, why wasn't a notice sent to all of those on SS as they did when we turned 65 offering it or to opt out? I've looked on the web with Google, etc. and find NO MENTION that Part B is required. Please cite a source for this assertion. As for the $3000 increase, please cite a source for your assertion. This all sounds like a Faux News load of BS to me.
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Post by CheenaGringo on Wed May 22, 2013 8:31 pm

My take on the entire matter is that the "stories" are being generated by either political party depending on their point of view and a spin that they hope works to their advantage. I don't think it is any deep dark secret that the "working details" haven't all been worked out? They (all of them) do need to get it in gear and put together a plan for the benefit of all citizens!

I do know of one Republican leaning company ownership here in Albuquerque who has announced that there will be no raises for 2013 because of the Affordable Care Act going into effect in 2014. Total BS!

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Post by David on Wed May 22, 2013 8:44 pm

The misinformation about the ACA is mind boggling. A conservative friend (yes, I have some) said the ACA was evidence that Obama was a socialist. I explained to him what a "socialist" is (when the gov't has control of the means of production, distribution, and exchange are controlled by the state) he said, "Well, you may be smarter than me, but I know Socialism when I see it!"
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Post by CheenaGringo on Wed May 22, 2013 8:52 pm

Joe McCarthy knew a commie when he saw one!

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Post by Jim W on Thu May 23, 2013 6:36 pm

David wrote:[quote="itsme
With Medicare one is required to have SUPPLEMENTAL insurance, I believe that is called "Part B". This is where the penalty comes in. If you are a permanent resident of another country, you do not get Medicare. I gather one cannot have it both ways. Have to stay out of the US. I also understand O'care was to bring down costs per family $250.00, but it has risen by $3,000.00.

I had not heard that Part B was required. If so, why wasn't a notice sent to all of those on SS as they did when we turned 65 offering it or to opt out? I've looked on the web with Google, etc. and find NO MENTION that Part B is required. Please cite a source for this assertion. As for the $3000 increase, please cite a source for your assertion. This all sounds like a Faux News load of BS to me.[/quote]


David, I don't think part B is required......For the record, my wife can't get OBAMA care as they are reportedly out of money, so no inurance as she has history of stroke, HBP. We did get one US quote of $6800.00 with exclusions for preexisting, with a $6800.00 deductible, pretty much wiping out her SS till she is 65!

You can get part B at virtually no charge, as Oregon offers the same part B plan as Arizona. It is called Healthnet. Alot easier for us as we split 50/50 US and MX. My agent tells me as long as I am not out of country for over 6 consecutive months, emergencies are covered, I pay and submit for reimbursement.

Just an FYI
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Post by David on Thu May 23, 2013 6:54 pm

I think itsme was just making stuff up. Why else would he/she not come back here with some sources?
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Post by Jim W on Thu May 23, 2013 7:15 pm

Can't speculate David....without trying to create a mass debate, OBAMA care is a mess, people promised coverage can't get it, obviously medical care in Mexico is more cost effective, readily available, than it will ever be in the good ole USA!
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Post by CheenaGringo on Thu May 23, 2013 8:08 pm

Jim:

A correction to your statement (if I may) - Healthcare in the US is a MESS!

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Post by Jim W on Thu May 23, 2013 8:12 pm

Gawd I hate it when you correct me Neil, worse yet when you are CORRECT!
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Post by slainte39 on Fri May 24, 2013 11:56 pm

Flamingo wrote:I know this isn't what some people want to hear, but an interesting read:
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/05/24/2058231/how-california-is-debunking-the-gops-obamacare-talking-points/

Why would some people not want to hear it? It sounds like good news no matter what your first opinion was of the ACA.

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