Re: And you thought the problems with car TIPs was bad...

by addtocart Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:44 am

CanuckBob wrote:Perhaps in the big picture this whole fiasco revolves around drugs, cartels and the use of illegally documented vessels to transport drugs back and forth across the border. Round them all up and see what shakes out?

Could be, but to do this to hundreds of honest travelers who will go back home, with or without their boats, and tell everyone they know to never ever come here? This makes sense to anyone?

by Jeff Raybourne Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:59 am

addtocart wrote:
CanuckBob wrote:Perhaps in the big picture this whole fiasco revolves around drugs, cartels and the use of illegally documented vessels to transport drugs back and forth across the border. Round them all up and see what shakes out?
Could be, but to do this to hundreds of honest travelers who will go back home, with or without their boats, and tell everyone they know to never ever come here? This makes sense to anyone?

That may or may not happen. But what are a few hundred visitors out of several million that go to Mexico each year? Every country in the world limits who gets to visit so the argument that upholding the law is detrimental to the country's well-being is pretty thin. The US is pretty restrictive in that way. Have they ever really cared how much economical damage that creates in the border towns alone?

by addtocart Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:02 am

Jeff Raybourne wrote:
addtocart wrote:
CanuckBob wrote:Perhaps in the big picture this whole fiasco revolves around drugs, cartels and the use of illegally documented vessels to transport drugs back and forth across the border. Round them all up and see what shakes out?
Could be, but to do this to hundreds of honest travelers who will go back home, with or without their boats, and tell everyone they know to never ever come here? This makes sense to anyone?

That may or may not happen. But what are a few hundred visitors out of several million that go to Mexico each year? Every country in the world limits who gets to visit so the argument that upholding the law is detrimental to the country's well-being is pretty thin. The US is pretty restrictive in that way. Have they ever really cared how much economical damage that creates in the border towns alone?

This always happens. Some of us justify what happens here by pointing out that other countries do something. Many of these boat owners are guilty of nothing more than not being on their boat when the machine-gun toting "auditors" came along. They will probably get their boats back, but not until a 4-month long "decision" is made in their favors.

by CanuckBob Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:09 am

So is this the nautical equivalent of the Feds rolling into the WalMart parking lot and impounding all the foreign vehicles that didn't have a valid TIP sticker displayed, and/or the paperwork to prove it on the spot (because some owners are in shopping)?

by addtocart Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:12 am

CanuckBob wrote:So is this the nautical equivalent of the Feds rolling into the WalMart parking lot and impounding all the foreign vehicles that didn't have a valid TIP sticker displayed, and/or the paperwork to prove it on the spot (because some owners are in shopping)?

Looks like it.

by Jeff Raybourne Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:39 pm

addtocart wrote:
Jeff Raybourne wrote:
addtocart wrote:
CanuckBob wrote:Perhaps in the big picture this whole fiasco revolves around drugs, cartels and the use of illegally documented vessels to transport drugs back and forth across the border. Round them all up and see what shakes out?
Could be, but to do this to hundreds of honest travelers who will go back home, with or without their boats, and tell everyone they know to never ever come here? This makes sense to anyone?

That may or may not happen. But what are a few hundred visitors out of several million that go to Mexico each year? Every country in the world limits who gets to visit so the argument that upholding the law is detrimental to the country's well-being is pretty thin. The US is pretty restrictive in that way. Have they ever really cared how much economical damage that creates in the border towns alone?
This always happens. Some of us justify what happens here by pointing out that other countries do something. Many of these boat owners are guilty of nothing more than not being on their boat when the machine-gun toting "auditors" came along. They will probably get their boats back, but not until a 4-month long "decision" is made in their favors.

Your post is a very good example of how people exaggerate in these reports. The auditors don't carry machine guns. They were accompanied by marines, soldiers that carry their weapons at most times and are a common sight in Mexico.

by slainte39 Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:04 pm

Jeff Raybourne wrote:
addtocart wrote:
Jeff Raybourne wrote:
addtocart wrote:
CanuckBob wrote:Perhaps in the big picture this whole fiasco revolves around drugs, cartels and the use of illegally documented vessels to transport drugs back and forth across the border. Round them all up and see what shakes out?
Could be, but to do this to hundreds of honest travelers who will go back home, with or without their boats, and tell everyone they know to never ever come here? This makes sense to anyone?

That may or may not happen. But what are a few hundred visitors out of several million that go to Mexico each year? Every country in the world limits who gets to visit so the argument that upholding the law is detrimental to the country's well-being is pretty thin. The US is pretty restrictive in that way. Have they ever really cared how much economical damage that creates in the border towns alone?
This always happens. Some of us justify what happens here by pointing out that other countries do something. Many of these boat owners are guilty of nothing more than not being on their boat when the machine-gun toting "auditors" came along. They will probably get their boats back, but not until a 4-month long "decision" is made in their favors.

Your post is a very good example of how people exaggerate in these reports. The auditors don't carry machine guns. They were accompanied by marines, soldiers that carry their weapons at most times and are a common sight in Mexico.

Exactly....
I know a lot of people who are coming to Mexico this year and this boat thing won't stop any of them. Of course, they are not coming by boat.
"Machine gun toting auditors"....bad hyperbole at it's worst. You can almost visualize people squirming with delight when they make these kind of statements.

by viajero Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:14 pm

slainte39 wrote:
"Machine gun toting auditors"....bad hyperbole at it's worst. You can almost visualize people squirming with delight when they make these kind of statements.

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by slainte39 Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:52 pm

viajero wrote:
slainte39 wrote:
"Machine gun toting auditors"....bad hyperbole at it's worst. You can almost visualize people squirming with delight when they make these kind of statements.

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Is that all you can say??? I won't take any offense....promise!!! lol!

by CheenaGringo Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:06 pm

While those who are making such vocal denials that these yacht owners had done nothing wrong, they might as well get on their high horse that there are no foreigners in Mexico with expired TIP's, FMM's, old FM2's or FM3's or simply no valid papers what-so-ever! I would be willing to guess that there are more than a handful who fall into one of those categories just along the North Shore?

by slainte39 Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:14 pm

CheenaGringo wrote:While those who are making such vocal denials that these yacht owners had done nothing wrong, they might as well get on their high horse that there are no foreigners in Mexico with expired TIP's, FMM's, old FM2's or FM3's or simply no valid papers what-so-ever! I would be willing to guess that there are more than a handful who fall into one of those categories just along the North Shore?

Have you cancelled your Feb. trip yet because of this brouhaha??? Very Happy

by CheenaGringo Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:15 pm

Not hardly! Although, we are waiting for Volaris to screw it up somehow.

by addtocart Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:29 pm

slainte39 wrote:
Jeff Raybourne wrote:
addtocart wrote:
Jeff Raybourne wrote:
addtocart wrote:
CanuckBob wrote:Perhaps in the big picture this whole fiasco revolves around drugs, cartels and the use of illegally documented vessels to transport drugs back and forth across the border. Round them all up and see what shakes out?
Could be, but to do this to hundreds of honest travelers who will go back home, with or without their boats, and tell everyone they know to never ever come here? This makes sense to anyone?

That may or may not happen. But what are a few hundred visitors out of several million that go to Mexico each year? Every country in the world limits who gets to visit so the argument that upholding the law is detrimental to the country's well-being is pretty thin. The US is pretty restrictive in that way. Have they ever really cared how much economical damage that creates in the border towns alone?
This always happens. Some of us justify what happens here by pointing out that other countries do something. Many of these boat owners are guilty of nothing more than not being on their boat when the machine-gun toting "auditors" came along. They will probably get their boats back, but not until a 4-month long "decision" is made in their favors.

Your post is a very good example of how people exaggerate in these reports. The auditors don't carry machine guns. They were accompanied by marines, soldiers that carry their weapons at most times and are a common sight in Mexico.

Exactly....
I know a lot of people who are coming to Mexico this year and this boat thing won't stop any of them. Of course, they are not coming by boat.
"Machine gun toting auditors"....bad hyperbole at it's worst. You can almost visualize people squirming with delight when they make these kind of statements.

When they all come at once, and some of them are carrying guns, what would you think? The auditors and the feds and the army come at the same time, are heavily armed, and we are supposed to just "understand"?

by slainte39 Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:50 pm

[/quote]When they all come at once, and some of them are carrying guns, what would you think? The auditors and the feds and the army come at the same time, are heavily armed, and we are supposed to just "understand"?[/quote]

What would I think??
I would have preferred that "they" each come separately, but if they didn't, the boat owners should have dived into the water and swam in the opposite direction. Then if they didn't arrest me or rob me, I would go have a piña colada at the nearest bar. As far as understand...there must have been a spokesperson for this seal team that announced their mission otherwise they wouldn't have taken any prisoners.

by Smartalex Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:52 pm

addtocart wrote:
slainte39 wrote:
Jeff Raybourne wrote:
addtocart wrote:
Jeff Raybourne wrote:
addtocart wrote:
CanuckBob wrote:Perhaps in the big picture this whole fiasco revolves around drugs, cartels and the use of illegally documented vessels to transport drugs back and forth across the border. Round them all up and see what shakes out?
Could be, but to do this to hundreds of honest travelers who will go back home, with or without their boats, and tell everyone they know to never ever come here? This makes sense to anyone?

That may or may not happen. But what are a few hundred visitors out of several million that go to Mexico each year? Every country in the world limits who gets to visit so the argument that upholding the law is detrimental to the country's well-being is pretty thin. The US is pretty restrictive in that way. Have they ever really cared how much economical damage that creates in the border towns alone?
This always happens. Some of us justify what happens here by pointing out that other countries do something. Many of these boat owners are guilty of nothing more than not being on their boat when the machine-gun toting "auditors" came along. They will probably get their boats back, but not until a 4-month long "decision" is made in their favors.

Your post is a very good example of how people exaggerate in these reports. The auditors don't carry machine guns. They were accompanied by marines, soldiers that carry their weapons at most times and are a common sight in Mexico.

Exactly....
I know a lot of people who are coming to Mexico this year and this boat thing won't stop any of them. Of course, they are not coming by boat.
"Machine gun toting auditors"....bad hyperbole at it's worst. You can almost visualize people squirming with delight when they make these kind of statements.
When they all come at once, and some of them are carrying guns, what would you think? The auditors and the feds and the army come at the same time, are heavily armed, and we are supposed to just "understand"?

Sounds a lot like the customs dock in San Diego.

by Jeff Raybourne Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:04 pm

I think I read that this activity took place in November so its kind of old news. I also read that boat owners were given 10 days to show proper documentation in order to avoid the up to 4 month process. I wonder if there have been any boats officially forfeited or returned to the owners by this time?

by CheenaGringo Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:13 pm

Jeff:

You are ruining the hysteria surrounding this older incident by asking pressing questions when the correct answers might douse the flames!

by CanuckBob Mon Jan 13, 2014 11:31 am

Captains Log (Stardate 01/10/13) - What a great day today. When we entered into Mexican waters we found that the customs office was closed. We figured "screw it" and carried onto the next port. We saved $70 in TIP fees!!!!

by Pedro Mon Jan 13, 2014 11:34 am

CanuckBob wrote:Captains Log (Stardate 01/10/13) - What a great day today. When we entered into Mexican waters we found that the customs office was closed. We figured "screw it" and carried onto the next port. We saved $70 in TIP fees!!!!

on our million dollar yacht-SNORK!

by CHILLIN Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:22 pm

A lot of boat owners, especially U.S., like to carry a gun into Mexico or the Caribbean, especially if they are staying some time. They have to sink it if they are about to be searched. It is a big hassle to declare the weapon, and I'm not sure, but I doubt that Mexico customs would allow it. In my boating days I was designing a semi-automatic flare gun! Avoiding marine customs used to be ridiculously easy.

by CanuckBob Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:13 pm

Getting caught with an illegal firearm in Mexico will likely result in a lengthy prison term. Not checking in with customs and paying for your TIP will result in your boat being impounded.

The time are a changing...........

by Pedro Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:05 pm

CanuckBob wrote:Getting caught with an illegal firearm in Mexico will likely result in a lengthy prison term. Not checking in with customs and paying for your TIP will result in your boat being impounded.

The time are a changing...........

no they are not-it has always been so. why would someone post about guns which has nothing to do with this op?

by arbon Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:35 am

Copies not excepted. Eh

"According to Jose Antonio Gomez, an attorney of two victims docked at Island Global Yachting (IGY) Cabo San Lucas Marina, his clients had their vessel impounded when they were unable to provide the original Temporary Importation Permit (MTIPS) when SAT agents boarded the vessel and requested to see the documentation.

Although his clients were in possession of a printed copy of their 10-year MTIPS – a document that tourists must apply for with Mexican Customs before bringing any vessel across to Mexico’s waters, the agents responded by impounding their vessel."

- See more at: http://www.thelog.com/Local/Article/Mexico-Boat-Impound#sthash.R5nbAb4Q.dpuf

by Smartalex Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:51 am

Thanks for the link to the story in The Log, Arbon. Anyone following this story should know that The Log is a well-respected source of news and information for boaters, while Latitude 38 is a largely reader-written publication.

by Jeff Raybourne Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:46 pm

Not so strange that the incredible sh*tstorm about Mexico's "ruthless, unjust and completely arbitrary" impounding of boats caught everyone's attention but hardly a peep in the media or message boards about the fact that most, if not all boats have been released and within the 4 month time frame given for resolution.

by Lady Otter Latté Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:20 pm

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