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Re: they are coming down !!
gringal wrote: Whether mordida keeps them up or they go down is a question we shall eventually see the answer to. Or not.
There have been more than a few accusations that payoffs are involved in keeping the barriers in place. Is this an assumption or is there any evidence of this taking place? Some have even directly accused the municipal president of being bribed. My unsolicited advice is to be a little more careful with these types of accusations.
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Jeff Raybourne wrote:gringal wrote: Whether mordida keeps them up or they go down is a question we shall eventually see the answer to. Or not.
There have been more than a few accusations that payoffs are involved in keeping the barriers in place. Is this an assumption or is there any evidence of this taking place? Some have even directly accused the municipal president of being bribed. My unsolicited advice is to be a little more careful with these types of accusations.
I have no idea who or what may be involved in this matter, and am accusing no one. Others have suggested the possibility. The only "evidence" is that the barriers are still there and operating, and that's not much to go on. What we have, officially, is the promise that they are illegal and will go down. How soon? Who knows.
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This is not America or Canada, it is another country and another system. I do not advise engaging a lawsuit, or even mentioning the word legal. Unsoliticed advice.
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Seventyseven wrote:This is not America or Canada, it is another country and another system. I do not advise engaging a lawsuit, or even mentioning the word legal. Unsoliticed advice.
At this point, I suggest reading the article about this in the current Guadalajara Reporter, page 11, for more information.
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Jeff, we have an example of what Playaboy is writing about right across the street from me. Sorry to say but there it is. Feel free to stop on by and take a look. I'll show you a building permit for a mirador. That third story addition complete with elevator is just a distortion in your vision.
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Mainecoons wrote:Jeff, we have an example of what Playaboy is writing about right across the street from me. Sorry to say but there it is. Feel free to stop on by and take a look. I'll show you a building permit for a mirador. That third story addition complete with elevator is just a distortion in your vision.
I know the one of which you speak. Pretty blatant. Mine is even closer: right on the other side of the wall. Then there's the ones currently under construction a few blocks down, and I'm sure there are even more.
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Mainecoons wrote:Jeff, we have an example of what Playaboy is writing about right across the street from me. Sorry to say but there it is. Feel free to stop on by and take a look. I'll show you a building permit for a mirador. That third story addition complete with elevator is just a distortion in your vision.
Regardless of what or how you feel about these types of situations, unless you have proof of a payoff and want to pursue the issue, you're better off not making public accusations.
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Welcome to the real world of Mexico, Jeff. We're happy to have you join us.
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Jeff, This is how it works here. Mainecoone's and Playaboy are correct. Everyone talks like this, especially the Mexicans! It is no big deal, it is not an accusation, but daily life. There are many many threads about bribes and payoffs on several expat forums. I know of two cases (i will leave the locations out), where noisy businesses were opened in residential private neigborhoods. (violating every rule). As time went on, there were illegal billboards to advertise the growing business. It become more bold every year. No one could stop it. I know one of these business owners (mexican), so i know the story.
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bennie v. bennie2 smackdown. Bring it.
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Well 77 - you have proven not to have gained any intelligence during your sabbatical! I know people who don't even have a GED who can write in a fashion that shows greater intelligence and grasp of the English language than you exhibit in your posts. Talk about being totally clueless!
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The content is 100% correct. Looks to me that you may be in denial about Mexican life.
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CheenaGringo wrote:Well 77 - you have proven not to have gained any intelligence during your sabbatical! I know people who don't even have a GED who can write in a fashion that shows greater intelligence and grasp of the English language than you exhibit in your posts. Talk about being totally clueless!
oh CG see Rosa Venus' post above yours......77 has more personalities between this board and TOB than you can count.....seriously, she seems to love TRYING to change her style...but that and her silly comments show her up everytime. she's definitely having fun with all of this....meanwhile those barriers have got to come down...i for one do not like driving the carretera at night and prefer to go the "back way".
in MHO the barriers don't keep out the "rateros" and serious thieves and / or violent characters. the guys who murdered nina and eduardo could have just walked over....as many bad guys do. ya think if i was going to rob a house and perpetrate murder and mayhem, i'd park outside...not likely.
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Mainecoons wrote:Welcome to the real world of Mexico, Jeff. We're happy to have you join us.
I am not new to this country and have been happily married to a norteña for many years.
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Seventyseven wrote:Jeff, This is how it works here.
You are going to tell him how it works here?...... What a joke of a statement.
He has forgotten more about Mexico then you could ever possibly know.
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You can walk into Floresta, but you cannot carry out a large t.v. Why dosn't someone ask the President about that LACK of security that exists even with the barriers?
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Always look on the bright side of life.
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hickton wrote:the amount of information flowing from the mouths of those who reckon they know how the system works here is a joy to behold !! a guy slurping and goggling babes on the beach, must have a wealth of experience in Mexican matters. the guy who is on the ajijic advisory committee, who I am sure must mix and speak with the locals in their own language , to understand what the locals need, will therefore have to accept if in the view of playaboy, the committee is a waste of time and effort. if as he says" nobody asks ex pats anything" . "the powers that be don't want your opinion".
I suggest that those who don't integrate with mexico and Mexicans and rely on gringo scare mongering myths, should broaden their local knowledge before posting such drivel.
Actually, I live right down the street from you. I am only vacationing on the beach slurping and ogling the parade that struts by. I still have a pulse. I did learn a new Spanish word yesterday, tanguitas.
Hickton, you seem to be very passionate about this. Committee's, petitions, meetings and more meeting, the barriers are still there. That NOB approach hasn't worked in a month. I wanted to point out another way of getting things accomplished.
I don't take pleasure from peoples suffering. I hope the barriers come down tomorrow. I hope you become a happy person again.
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CheenaGringo wrote:Well 77 - you have proven not to have gained any intelligence during your sabbatical! I know people who don't even have a GED who can write in a fashion that shows greater intelligence and grasp of the English language than you exhibit in your posts. Talk about being totally clueless!
And once again all you have to offer is personal attack.
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Please explain the difference between a statement of fact and a personal attack.
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Playaboy wrote:
I don't take pleasure from peoples suffering.
"Suffering" is a little over the top, don't you think. Inconvenienced, perhaps.
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If blocking the road is so bad for the villages at either end the people living at either end will take care of the barriers. People do not have to go that way as the carretera is open , frankly I do not see the big deal..so youe backway to Superlake is blocked, just go the other way .
Eventually the barriers will go down because they do not make sense just like some topes get demolished the barriers will go away..just wait and take the caretera meanwhile.
Eventually the barriers will go down because they do not make sense just like some topes get demolished the barriers will go away..just wait and take the caretera meanwhile.
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Jeff, One can live here and marry a Mexican but still be naive. There was a time when there was no highway going to Guad. People had to drive thru Chapala, it was not a big deal. Also we do not know how many residents of Floresta signed their own petition and had meetings themselves. There are details here which people are not aware of. Cheena Gringo, Perhaps you might want to go to Octagon, this topic is an important one for people who live here.
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CheenaGringo wrote:Please explain the difference between a statement of fact and a personal attack.
Everything is a personal attack....open your mouth....disagree....shoot the messenger....
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mielicita, Speaking of Nina and Eduardo and the incident. The murderers did park outside. They were not on foot, as they had to carry the flatscreen t.v. Get the facts straight.
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theres not been any information from la floresta. nothing. was a unilateral descion , no attempt to speak or inform those who are affected.
the facts are
they are illegal, they have to come down, source, municipio Chapala. also stated in guadalara reporter.
they are an annoyance . im still very happy. its not the end of the world, but as I said before what would you do if you had the same problem in your country ? you would at least complain. its the same here. we were specifically asked by Mexican authorities to provide petitons, don't know why, but we have done it. and signed in the large majority by Mexicans, who live on the affected street and close surroundings.
this is not a gringo thing. as to wether any payment has been made is a gringo assumption, and should not be discussed openly. there is no evidence of this, and is totally wrong to tar every politico or official with the same brush, but we are not naive. we will continue to pressure the president and his staff to remove the barriers as soon as possible. this is a quote from a Mexican neighbor !!
hopefully the same people who took them down after the party last week return !! I for one will buy them a beer or three!!
the facts are
they are illegal, they have to come down, source, municipio Chapala. also stated in guadalara reporter.
they are an annoyance . im still very happy. its not the end of the world, but as I said before what would you do if you had the same problem in your country ? you would at least complain. its the same here. we were specifically asked by Mexican authorities to provide petitons, don't know why, but we have done it. and signed in the large majority by Mexicans, who live on the affected street and close surroundings.
this is not a gringo thing. as to wether any payment has been made is a gringo assumption, and should not be discussed openly. there is no evidence of this, and is totally wrong to tar every politico or official with the same brush, but we are not naive. we will continue to pressure the president and his staff to remove the barriers as soon as possible. this is a quote from a Mexican neighbor !!
hopefully the same people who took them down after the party last week return !! I for one will buy them a beer or three!!
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