Re: Mining in Mexico

by viajero Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:21 am

Smartalex wrote:It is no secret that Canadian mining interests have a very poor track record in Mexico. There is plenty of information on the subject. For example...

Corruption, Murder and Canadian Mining in Mexico:
The Case of Blackfire Exploration and the Canadian Embassy
http://www.miningwatch.ca/files/blackfire_embassy_report_eng_0.pdf

Thanks for the link Alex.
It's informative,for those who take the time read it...

by Pedro Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:46 am

viajero wrote:
Smartalex wrote:It is no secret that Canadian mining interests have a very poor track record in Mexico. There is plenty of information on the subject. For example...

Corruption, Murder and Canadian Mining in Mexico:
The Case of Blackfire Exploration and the Canadian Embassy
http://www.miningwatch.ca/files/blackfire_embassy_report_eng_0.pdf
Thanks for the link Alex.
It's informative,for those who take the time read it...

some of us that read canadian newspapers every day knew about this a long time ago. of course nothing like this ever happens with the merkin coal mining companies in the south eastern excited states.in any event,it's all irrelevent[sic] to the mining industry in general.

by CanuckBob Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:52 am

I do know a bit about the mining industry in Mexico. In fact, the last 4 days I was helping with a geological survey in the mountains just east of Manzanillo. The guides were paid between $500 and $1000 pesos per day. They are really hopeful that some mining company comes and provides some steady employment for the area.

by oncesubtle Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:02 am

Edjumacated Americans know there is no defending any U.S business. They are ruthless in their pursuit of the mighty dollar and lord help the fool who gets in their way, foreign or domestic.

by viajero Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:59 am

oncesubtle wrote:Edjumacated Americans know there is no defending any U.S business. They are ruthless in their pursuit of the mighty dollar and lord help the fool who gets in their way, foreign or domestic.

Exactly.
I'm not bashing Canadian mining companies in particular,mining companies everywhere have historically had very poor track records.They are exploiters,nothing more.Like pedro said,they're gold diggers in every sense of the word.
Think Cananea,think coal mines in the US,think gold and diamond mines in Africa,etc,etc..
It's just an industry whose pratices are hard to defend in my opinion, which is why I took exception to Semalu's attempt to promote it's virtues.

by oncesubtle Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:12 am

Once any business becomes a corporation with stock holders, ethics go out the window. Bless the mom and pop's and the family owned business though. With them everyone can expect a fair shake and seldom be disappointed.

by mattoleriver Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:42 am

oncesubtle wrote:Once any business becomes a corporation with stock holders, ethics go out the window. Bless the mom and pop's and the family owned business though. With them everyone can expect a fair shake and seldom be disappointed.

Mining in Mexico - Page 2 2011-08-15-romney-corporations-are-people

by Pedro Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:03 pm

oh yeah! let's all harken back to the good old days a coupla thousand years ago where we can deal with one "innovative" shopkeeper and one tradesman,etc. and we can get rid of all the nasty corps, who benefit no one except greedy share holders who probly aren't individuals either but them paper cut out pretend people-SNORK! i'm gonna try and find one guy ta make all the parts i need for my moto and the rest of ya go find one guy ta make a puter like the one yer sitting at because ya shouldn't be using it and supporting them evil corps-jajajaja!

by CanuckBob Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:17 pm

viajero wrote:
oncesubtle wrote:Edjumacated Americans know there is no defending any U.S business. They are ruthless in their pursuit of the mighty dollar and lord help the fool who gets in their way, foreign or domestic.
Exactly.
I'm not bashing Canadian mining companies in particular,mining companies everywhere have historically had very poor track records.They are exploiters,nothing more.Like pedro said,they're gold diggers in every sense of the word.
Think Cananea,think coal mines in the US,think gold and diamond mines in Africa,etc,etc..
It's just an industry whose pratices are hard to defend in my opinion, which is why I took exception to Semalu's attempt to promote it's virtues.

And without them you wouldn't have your house, your car, your computer or just about anything else...........geeesh.

by oncesubtle Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:22 pm

Pedro wrote:oh yeah! let's all harken back to the good old days a coupla thousand years ago where we can deal with one "innovative" shopkeeper and one tradesman,etc. and we can get rid of all the nasty corps, who benefit no one except greedy share holders who probly aren't individuals either but them paper cut out pretend people-SNORK! i'm gonna try and find one guy ta make all the parts i need for my moto and the rest of ya go find one guy ta make a puter like the one yer sitting at because ya shouldn't be using it and supporting them evil corps-jajajaja!

Pedro, if this is directed at my post please show me where I said anything about not buying, using or enjoying corporate products.

by viajero Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:36 pm

CanuckBob wrote:
viajero wrote:
oncesubtle wrote:Edjumacated Americans know there is no defending any U.S business. They are ruthless in their pursuit of the mighty dollar and lord help the fool who gets in their way, foreign or domestic.
Exactly.
I'm not bashing Canadian mining companies in particular,mining companies everywhere have historically had very poor track records.They are exploiters,nothing more.Like pedro said,they're gold diggers in every sense of the word.
Think Cananea,think coal mines in the US,think gold and diamond mines in Africa,etc,etc..
It's just an industry whose pratices are hard to defend in my opinion, which is why I took exception to Semalu's attempt to promote it's virtues.

And without them you wouldn't have your house, your car, your computer or just about anything else...........geeesh.

I guess I just don't understand your reasoning,are you saying that mining can't be done without exploiting the miners and the comunities where they extract the minerals from,without implementing safety procedures,without polluting the enviornment?
It's all about the bottom line,period.

by CanuckBob Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:05 pm

viajero wrote:
CanuckBob wrote:
viajero wrote:
oncesubtle wrote:Edjumacated Americans know there is no defending any U.S business. They are ruthless in their pursuit of the mighty dollar and lord help the fool who gets in their way, foreign or domestic.
Exactly.
I'm not bashing Canadian mining companies in particular,mining companies everywhere have historically had very poor track records.They are exploiters,nothing more.Like pedro said,they're gold diggers in every sense of the word.
Think Cananea,think coal mines in the US,think gold and diamond mines in Africa,etc,etc..
It's just an industry whose pratices are hard to defend in my opinion, which is why I took exception to Semalu's attempt to promote it's virtues.

And without them you wouldn't have your house, your car, your computer or just about anything else...........geeesh.
I guess I just don't understand your reasoning,are you saying that mining can't be done without exploiting the miners and the comunities where they extract the minerals from,without implementing safety procedures,without polluting the enviornment?
It's all about the bottom line,period.

My whole point was that you and some others were making broad brushed statements that mining had no positive financial impact on Mexico and that Canadian mining companies were corrupt. You based this on a few stories that you found on the internet. I say that this is total BS and that mining has had huge financial gains (positives) for Mexico and that most of the Canadian mining companies here are doing it correctly.

Then you went on to trash most mining.

I said where would you be without mining?

Not once have I commented on mining practices. Don't twist things.

by Pedro Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:58 pm

Smartalex wrote:
Pedro wrote:
of course nothing like this ever happens with the merkin coal mining companies

I thought we settled the issue of you insulting Americans. If it weren't for the sacrifices made by Americans and our Canadian brothers, DPs like you would have wound up toasted in Nazi concentration camps. I wish I could have met my uncle, who died in Belgium fighting for your freedom. I wish I could take back my own family's participation in the displaced persons program, which brought scum like you to the U.S. and Canada. You're an ungrateful son of a bitch.

unlike you i am following the rules of this board. i have addressed this in the octagon. my grandfather was toasted in auschwitz as you so kindly put it
moderator?

by Smartalex Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:30 pm

From Forbes...

After Gold Heist, Canadian Mining CEO Says Company Had Good Relations With Mexican Cartels
http://www.forbes.com/sites/doliaestevez/2015/04/13/after-gold-heist-canadian-mining-ceo-says-company-had-good-relations-with-mexican-cartels/

From telesurtv...

Canadian Mining Company Dumps Toxic Waste into Mexican River
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Canadian-Mining-Company-Dumps-Toxic-Waste-into-Mexican-River-20150620-0012.html.

Here's an excerpt from the article:
The Canadian mining industry has a dubious record of violence, human rights abuses, environmental damage, and other violations in communities where its companies conduct mining operations across Latin America and the world.

by Smartalex Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:41 pm

But wait, there's more...

The impact of Canadian Mining in Latin
America and Canada’s Responsibility
Executive Summary of the Report submitted to the
Inter-American Commission on Human Right
http://www.dplf.org/sites/default/files/report_canadian_mining_executive_summary.pdf

by Smartalex Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:49 pm

And that's not all...

Canadian mining giants destroy nature and Indigenous communities in Mexico
http://rabble.ca/news/2012/07/canadian-mining-giants-destroy-nature-and-indigenous-communities-mexico

by Smartalex Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:56 pm

I could go on like this all day and all night...

Mexican Communities Resist Environmentally Destructive Canadian Mining Companies
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/18972-mexican-communities-resist-environmentally-destructive-canadian-mining-companies#

by viajero Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:34 pm

Smartalex wrote:From Forbes...

After Gold Heist, Canadian Mining CEO Says Company Had Good Relations With Mexican Cartels
http://www.forbes.com/sites/doliaestevez/2015/04/13/after-gold-heist-canadian-mining-ceo-says-company-had-good-relations-with-mexican-cartels/

"Generally we had good relationships with the cartels..."...jajaja!
You gotta love it..
Thanks for the links Alex.

by CanuckBob Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:35 pm

Smartalex wrote:I could go on like this all day and all night...

Mexican Communities Resist Environmentally Destructive Canadian Mining Companies
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/18972-mexican-communities-resist-environmentally-destructive-canadian-mining-companies#

Well go ahead then. A couple of your articles are about the same mining company and the same incidents. No doubt some of these companies are unscrupulous. One of your articles is from something called "The Truth" and another from something called "Rabble". Where is Fox News when you need them....??? One of your articles does point out that there are over 200 Canadian mining companies in Mexico.

by Smartalex Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:45 pm

Then there's this article that begins, "Oh dear, yet another film about Canadian mining companies behaving badly."

Cinema Politica: Mexico’s Huicholes worry that Canadian mining company will destroy their sacred lands
https://huicholesfilm.com/en/cinema-politica-mexicos-huicholes-worry-that-canadian-mining-company-will-destroy-their-sacred-lands/

by Smartalex Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:59 pm

Here's a visual aid...

by Smartalex Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:08 pm

Got lots of visuals...

by oncesubtle Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:28 pm

When it comes to injustice in foreign lands Canada doesn't hold a candle to the United States. The good ol' U.S goes to war for national (corporate) interests, always have, always will. And you will never see Canada start a war or even engineer a coup. They're too nice. Come to think of it the Canadian mining interests probably interned under the big multinational American mining corps. That kind of behavior has to be learned. jajajaja

by viajero Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:32 pm

oncesubtle wrote:When it comes to injustice in foreign lands Canada doesn't hold a candle to the United States.

No arguement there,they're pikers in comparison.

by slainte39 Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:49 pm

Some of the people who went ballistic over the criticism of Canadian mining operations have went silent. CBob is like Horatio at the bridge.

by brigitte Fri Jul 17, 2015 6:54 pm

Chiapas may be a small state but it has huge potential for mines and I have a list of all the concessions for explotation and exploration . Men from a village asked me to explain to them the difference between explotation and exploration. From their questions I can tell they were not aware of the difference between the 2 and they also were not aware that accords had been signed which they should have been since these things are first discussed and approved in a general assembly of the men in the village.
As I said before they have the right to prevent the companies to enter their territories but this great nasty disputes and often murders between the various parties.
Here is a another interesting link re the mines in Chiapas. please note that the Canadian companis are in business with Mexican corporations so the Canadians are not the only guilty party.

http://mineriaenlinea.com/2013/11/mexico-chiapas-si-tiene-potencial-minero-85-empresas-concesionaron-el-20-de-su-territorio/

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