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Post by Lady Otter Latté on Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:38 am

One LDS site on the internet said Mormon is a “nickname” for them. When I worked in the late 80s for a faith based interfaith social services agency the people from LDS referred to themselves as Mormons. Now, it is a pejorative?

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Post by Gamina on Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:58 am

Maybe not "pejorative" but it takes away from the focus on Christ. But I can't think of a good nickname for the Church or it's members that everybody would be happy with. Maybe something will filter around the world and eventually become popular.
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Post by ltollefs on Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:20 am

Gamina wrote:Maybe not "pejorative" but it takes away from the focus on Christ.  But I can't think of a good nickname for the Church or it's members that everybody would be happy with.  Maybe something will filter around the world and eventually become popular.

Around the world? Such aggrandizement. You do know, don't you, that Christianity in all it's many flavours is experiencing a rapid decline in adherents? What the sword giveth, the internet taketh away. Oh, I just realized how your avatar is almost a perfect metaphor for Christianity.
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Post by ltollefs on Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:04 pm


Meanwhile, people go jobless, children go hungry, but the navel-gazing carries on apace.
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Post by Gamina on Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:01 pm

I doubt that the name "Mormon" will ever go away. I guess "Latter-day Saint" is the name to call the members now.
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Post by slainte39 on Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:46 pm

They should insert into the already very long name...The Church of Jesus Christ Who Came to America, of Latter Day Saints, as that is their belief.   scratch scratch scratch

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Post by Gamina on Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:52 pm

Well, he did say that he went to visit his other sheep between his resurrection and ascension. Who's to say where those other sheep lived.
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Post by Gamina on Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:07 pm

Just like the killing of 43 students. We'll probably never find out the real story.
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Post by Lady Otter Latté on Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:07 pm

Gamina wrote:I doubt that the name "Mormon" will ever go away.  I guess "Latter-day Saint" is the name to call the members now.

If I know any Mormons I don’t know it so I really do not care what they call themselves. I do not ask anyone what their religion is because I do not care. Religion thankfully plays a zero part in my life.
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Post by NoVaDamer on Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:56 pm

ltollefs wrote:
Gamina wrote:Maybe not "pejorative" but it takes away from the focus on Christ.  But I can't think of a good nickname for the Church or it's members that everybody would be happy with.  Maybe something will filter around the world and eventually become popular.

Around the world? Such aggrandizement. You do know, don't you, that Christianity in all it's many flavours is experiencing a rapid decline in adherents? What the sword giveth, the internet taketh away. Oh, I just realized how your avatar is almost a perfect metaphor for Christianity.

Not really. Here are the data:
Christian population growth is the population growth of the global Christian community. According to a 2011 Pew Research Center survey, there were 2.19 billion Christians around the world in 2010, more than three times as many as the 600 million recorded in 1910. However, this rate of growth is slower than the overall population growth over the same time period.[1] According to a 2015 Pew Research Center study, by 2050, the Christian population is expected to be 3.0 billion.[2]

The average Christian fertility rate is 2.7 children per woman, which is higher than the global average fertility rate of 2.5. Globally, Christians were only slightly older (median age of 30) than the global median age of 28 in 2010. According to Pew Research religious switching is projected to have a modest impact on changes in the Christian population.[3] According to the World Christian Encyclopedia, approximately 2.7 million convert to Christianity annually from another religion; World Christian Encyclopedia also stated that Christianity ranks in first place in net gains through religious conversion.[4] While, according to "The Oxford Handbook of Religious Conversion", approximately 15.5 million convert to Christianity annually from another religion, approximately 11.7 million leave Christianity annually, and most of them become irreligious, resulting in a net gain of 3.8 million.[5] Christianity adds about 65.1 million people annually due to factors such as birth rate and religious conversion, while losing 27.4 million people annually due to factors such as death rate and religious apostasy. Most of the net growth in the numbers of Christians is in Africa, Latin America and Asia.[5]
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Post by ferret on Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:25 pm

Guess ya gotta try it before ya reject it. No one can save you but yourself.
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Post by ltollefs on Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:55 am

NoVaDamer wrote:
Not really. Here are the data:

https://www.pewforum.org/2019/10/17/in-u-s-decline-of-christianity-continues-at-rapid-pace/

My only interest here is how and why the numbers keep dropping in the USA (somewhat against expectation) and the rest of the well educated western democracies. The ignorant will follow whoever speaks loudest and whoever speaks last.
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Post by NoVaDamer on Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:40 pm

ltollefs wrote:
NoVaDamer wrote:
Not really. Here are the data:

https://www.pewforum.org/2019/10/17/in-u-s-decline-of-christianity-continues-at-rapid-pace/

My only interest here is how and why the numbers keep dropping in the USA (somewhat against expectation) and the rest of the well educated western democracies. The ignorant will follow whoever speaks loudest and whoever speaks last.

Thanks for explaining your interest. My only interest was correcting your clearly erroneous statement.
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Post by MiguelHeron on Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:57 pm

Hola amigos. As a newbie here I am not trusted to post links so I will tell you about a way to enlighten yourself about the history of the LeBarons and the cartels. The Vice video on youtube is from 2012 and was a bit of a hit piece on Mitt Romney I'd say. Anyway just go to youtube and type: Vice "The Mexican Mormon War (Drug Cartels vs. Mormons)" Love to hear your thoughts. Miguel
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Post by slainte39 on Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:57 pm

Gamina wrote:Well, he did say that he went to visit his other sheep between his resurrection and ascension.  Who's to say where those other sheep lived.

Not me, as I wasn´t around back then.  I just said it should be included in the name.

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Post by eduardo on Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:21 pm

Since when do the cartels need any reason at all to kill innocent people?

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Post by slainte39 on Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:10 am

eduardo wrote:Since when do the cartels need any reason at all to kill innocent people?

Sadly, there is always a reason, even if it is just for the fun of it or sport, and there could be another 100 contrived "reasons", including people earning money for their "work".
If you are looking for justified homicide, you probably aren´t going to find it.

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Post by CanuckBob on Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:13 am


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Post by Trailrunner on Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:39 am

Very interesting, thanks CB. I've driven through these colonias, years ago, and seen them at a distance and wondered about them.

I wonder a couple of things, though - how have the Le Barons made their livings all these decades? And very prosperous looking livings as well. That's a lot of mouths to feed.

And, how have the Colonias Mennonitas stayed so safe - if they even are?

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Post by CanuckBob on Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:10 am

For me it certainly rules out the "mistaken identity" theory that the Feds are claiming. These guys are at war with the cartel. It is a wonder where they get their money from. Farming doesn't seem to be very profitable down here.

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Post by WillieRae on Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:59 am

When I was selling RE IN Mazatlan, one time we had a client that lived in an upscale, gated community in a very large la-ti-da house and I was making small talk with him. So I asked what he did.....he said he was a rancher.....so I (stupidly) asked what he raised....he said "stuff".....no more questions from me. My partner at the time was turning white and almost choking! Lesson learned!

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Post by CanuckBob on Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:42 pm

Yes, I suspect these colonies control the passage way needed to transport "stuff" to the US border. Watch the video and you will see my point. I believe these senseless killings made sense to someone.

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