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Post by CanuckBob on Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:36 pm


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Post by Jreboll on Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:04 pm

Our hospitals here in Cameron County are at 130% capacity. We got danger alarms this weekend on our phones due to the spike.

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Post by CanuckBob on Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:49 pm

Trumps making friends and making the US look like assholes again.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/us-buys-up-world-stock-of-key-covid-19-drug/ar-BB16abd2?li=AAggNb9

karma is going to catch up with him and his regime.

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Post by ferret on Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:35 pm

Yes it is. The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
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Post by Jreboll on Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:36 pm

It strangely seems preplanned, but other countries may have the last laugh if cheaper alternatives are found.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/global-hydroxychloroquine-study-resume-after-positive-trial-results

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Post by BisbeeGal on Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:48 am

This is from Chapala Health FB page and they allow it to be shared.  

Interesting new "self-reporting" category.



YOUR DAILY CORONAVIRUS UPDATE FOR WEDNESDAY, JULY 1

LAKESIDE SUMMARY

5 NEW Lakeside confirmed cases

100 confirmed Lakeside cases, 800 estimated cases

5 Lakesiders self-report having Covid-19 symptoms in last 2 weeks

17 suspected

0 new deaths

7 local deaths total

LAKESIDE* BY MUNICIPALITY *see definitions

CHAPALA: 32 confirmed (3 new), 7 suspected, 1 death (0 new)

JOCOTEPEC: 40 confirmed (2 new), 0 suspected, 4 deaths (1 new)

IXTLAHUACÁN: 28 confirmed (0 new), 10 suspected, 2 deaths (0 new)

Suspected cases are tested and waiting for results, most suspected cases are from contact tracing, some voluntary. Does NOT include private testing.

Source: Secretaria de Salud Jalisco and

https://coronavirus.gob.mx/fHDMap/mun.php

SELF-REPORTED COVID SYMPTOMS AND TESTS IN PAST 2 WEEKS BY ZIP CODE

ONE in Chapala, ONE in Jocotepec and THREE in Ajijic self-report having Covid-19 symptoms in the last 2 weeks.

NOTE each self-report drops off report after 2 weeks.

Because of fear and shame and medical privacy, this anonymous tool may be the ONLY way you know those close to you have it.

I check these zip codes daily for self-reported Covid-19 symptoms or tests:

Chapala 45900

Riberas del Pilar 45906

San Antonio Tl. 45922

Ajijic 45920

San Juan Cosalá 45820

Jocotepec 45800

Ixtlahuacán 45850

NOTE: Because the municipality of Chapala includes Riberas, San Antonio, Ajijic etc. some in those other villages could be self-reporting under Chapala zip code.

If your zip code is not listed, you can look it up yourself on

https://covidnearyou.org/

NOTE: this report was compiled by Kerry Watson from English and Spanish sources. It is intended for the private group Chapala Health Talk only; all updates are posted there and it is impossible to keep multiple groups updated. There may be errors in translation and reporting as the news changes fast.If you copy and share outside of the private group, you must include this note and this link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ChapalaHealthTalk/
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Post by CanuckBob on Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:10 am

Wow.....800 estimated!! Seems about right given the lack of testing. I know two people who have had it and one died. Watch out for Dengue too!!

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Post by BisbeeGal on Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:14 am

It's a guestimate multiplier many are using; she uses x8 the positives. Some others use x10 the positives. No idea how accurate??
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Post by Trailrunner on Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:58 am

I joined. Thanks, BG, good report and believable.

So! Colchicine looks promising. Here is one ongoing study, there are a few others if you are interested.

https://www.reumatologiaclinica.org/es-colchicine-a-potential-therapeutic-tool-avance-S1699258X20301078
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Post by ferret on Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:01 pm

I will continue to use the site that I have been posting results from because it shows "confirmed", "suspicious", "died", "recovered" and "currently active". These results may be off but I believe show a better understanding of what's actually going on. Self reporting is in no way accurate without actual testing. You could have the flu or a cold or dengue or allergies.
Multiply by any factor you wish.
This is the website: https://coronavirus.gob.mx/datos/
You can click on the state and zoom in and add as many communities around the lake as you wish to but I am only showing those communities closest to us and what is happening is encouraging. TOTALS of confirmed cases tell you boodiddleysquat.
It's here. Wear a mask and protect yourselves.
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Post by BisbeeGal on Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:35 pm

Both La Pagina newspaper and the Chapala Gobierno use as a source, Radar Jalisco.  Shows 32 cases total as of 30 June.  

I do not know why it is 10 cases higher than your source, but it is an official count, per Chapala Gobierno.  It is the same source Hector uses at his Chapala Expat Liaison FB.  

Maybe the website offers more info; I have not delved into it.

Here is headline at FB for La Pagina, in both Spanish and an auto English translation.  
PÁGINA Que sí se lee
15 hrs ·
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🔴 | #Chapala sigue sumando casos de #COVID19. Durante este martes 30 de junio registró otros tres casos confirmados y llega a 32. #Jocotepec adicionó otros dos casos y acumula 40.

#ULTIMAHORA

🔴 | #Chapala keeps adding cases of #COVID19. During this Tuesday June 30th recorded three confirmed cases and reaches 32. #Jocotepec added two other cases and accumulates 40.

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Post by BisbeeGal on Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:29 pm

The charts presented at the Federal site has one-third less Chapala cases than the Jalisco site.  But both show 1 death for Chapala.  No idea why, anyone?  

FWIW, the Chapala Gobierno and 2 local papers (Seminario Laguna and La Pagina) use the Jalisco site.

22 cases at https://coronavirus.gob.mx/datos/
32 cases at https://coronavirus.jalisco.gob.mx/corte-del-dia/
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Post by ferret on Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:57 pm

I still like the Federal site because it shows Active and Recovered numbers. The Jalisco site only seems to show "Confirmed" cases which is both devious and inflammatory. But, hey, if they want to scare the hell out of the population into being extra careful, then I'm all for it.
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Post by BisbeeGal on Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:49 am

From La Pagina late last night, adds some insight to difference between Radar Jalisco and the Federal numbers.  This report gives all the numbers, recovered, active, deaths. The auto translate leaves a bit to be desired, but most of us are used to dealing with them.

PÁGINA Que sí se lee
7 hrs ·
#ULTIMAHORA

🔴 | Reportan segundo fallecimiento por Covid-19 en Chapala

Por Redacción

El nuevo Coronavirus (Covid-19) ha cobrado la vida de otra persona en el municipio de #Chapala. Se trata de hombre de 87 años de edad, quien murió el pasado 29 de junio y apenas fue reportado por la Secretaría de Salud Jalisco (SSJ) este primero de julio. El paciente fue ingresado a un hospital privado el pasado 17 de junio, donde falleció. Con este ya son dos los fallecimientos que reporta el municipio de Chapala. El primer deceso ocurrió el pasado 6 de junio, siendo el de un hombre de 77 años de edad. A la fecha, Chapala suma 33 casos confirmados acumulados, de los cuales, 22 aparecen en la plataforma de la Dirección General de Epidemiología (DGE), de la Secretaría de Salud Federal (SSA), y 11 identificados por el sistema RADAR-Jalisco. De los 22 casos que aparecen en la plataforma de la DGE, 18 de ellos aparecen como recuperados y dos como activos, además de ocho sospechosos y 74 negativos a la enfermedad.

#ULTIMAHORA

| 🔴 Reported second death by Covid-19 in Chapala

By Writing

The new Coronavirus (Covid-19) has claimed the life of another person in the municipality of #Chapala. This is a 87-year-old man who died last June 29 and was barely reported by the Ministry of Health Jalisco (SSJ) this July 29st. The patient was admitted to a private hospital last June 17, where he passed away. With this are already two deaths reported by the municipality of Chapala. The first death occurred last June 6, being that of a 77-year-old man. To date, Chapala adds up to 33 confirmed cases, of which 22 appear on the platform of the Directorate General of Epidemiology (DGE), of the Federal Ministry of Health (SSA), and 11 identified by the RADAR-Jalisco system. Of the 22 cases on the DGE platform, 18 of them appear as recovered and two as assets, plus eight suspects and 74 negatives to the disease.



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Post by BisbeeGal on Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:54 am

Also from La Pagina late last night, giving numbers for Joco and Ixtlahuacan, too.
 

PÁGINA Que sí se lee
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🔴 | Al corte de este miércoles, #Chapala registró otro caso y llega a 33. #Jocotepec registró dos casos más y acumula 42, mientras que #IxtlahuacánDeLosMembrillos pasó de 21 a 31 casos confirmados de #COVID19.

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| 🔴 At this Wednesday's cut, #Chapala registered another case and reaches 33. #Jocotepec registered two more cases and accumulates 42, while #IxtlahuacánDeLosMembrillos went from 21 to 31 confirmed cases by #COVID19

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Post by ferret on Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:23 am

Supposed stats for Wednesday, July 1st, 2020
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Post by ferret on Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:04 am

Good summary of the "why" Jreboll. Thanks.
That they're doing it incorrectly has never been in doubt in my mind. Testing only the very sick is like closing the barn door after all the horses are out.
Just plain stupid and negligent.
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Post by BisbeeGal on Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:49 am

There was a really bad (and inexplicable) error in the auto-translate in what I posed earlier, but the window for my editing it had closed.  

Here it is with my fix in italics.  

From La Pagina late last night, adds some insight to difference between Radar Jalisco and the Federal numbers.  This report gives all the numbers, recovered, active, deaths. The auto translate leaves a bit to be desired, but most of us are used to dealing with them.

PÁGINA Que sí se lee
7 hrs ·
#ULTIMAHORA

🔴 | Reportan segundo fallecimiento por Covid-19 en Chapala

Por Redacción

El nuevo Coronavirus (Covid-19) ha cobrado la vida de otra persona en el municipio de #Chapala. Se trata de hombre de 87 años de edad, quien murió el pasado 29 de junio y apenas fue reportado por la Secretaría de Salud Jalisco (SSJ) este primero de julio. El paciente fue ingresado a un hospital privado el pasado 17 de junio, donde falleció. Con este ya son dos los fallecimientos que reporta el municipio de Chapala. El primer deceso ocurrió el pasado 6 de junio, siendo el de un hombre de 77 años de edad. A la fecha, Chapala suma 33 casos confirmados acumulados, de los cuales, 22 aparecen en la plataforma de la Dirección General de Epidemiología (DGE), de la Secretaría de Salud Federal (SSA), y 11 identificados por el sistema RADAR-Jalisco. De los 22 casos que aparecen en la plataforma de la DGE, 18 de ellos aparecen como recuperados y dos como activos, además de ocho sospechosos y 74 negativos a la enfermedad.

#ULTIMAHORA

| 🔴 Reported second death by Covid-19 in Chapala

By Writing

The new Coronavirus (Covid-19) has claimed the life of another person in the municipality of #Chapala. This is a 87-year-old man who died last June 29 and was barely reported by the Ministry of Health Jalisco (SSJ) this July 29st. (should read July 1st) The patient was admitted to a private hospital last June 17, where he passed away. With this are already two deaths reported by the municipality of Chapala. The first death occurred last June 6, being that of a 77-year-old man. To date, Chapala adds up to 33 confirmed cases, of which 22 appear on the platform of the Directorate General of Epidemiology (DGE), of the Federal Ministry of Health (SSA), and 11 identified by the RADAR-Jalisco system. Of the 22 cases on the DGE platform, 18 of them appear as recovered and two as assets, plus eight suspects and 74 negatives to the disease.
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Post by CanuckBob on Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:06 am

I don't think they care about the numbers, just who is sick and why.

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Post by BisbeeGal on Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:02 am

This is explanation from Hector (Liaison) about which site is most up to date. Personally I prefer the most recent info, especially with the Fed data a 33% missing.
Chapala EXPAT Liaison
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Chapala is now showing 33 covid cases. Why do my numbers vary from the Federal, for example. The federal system time wise falls behind the more local numbers. I speak to the Virologist assigned by the state to the Jocotepec Community hospital. He is the basis of the official report. This weekend there will be no checkpoints on the highway. Personnel will be assigned at either end of the Chapala malecon.

The Delegado Juan Ramon has been asked to request the same for Ajijic.
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Post by Jreboll on Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:37 am

If Chapala is showing 33 cases then those are critical cases probably in the hospital. You can imagine how many are walking around with and without symptoms.

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Post by Trailrunner on Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:36 pm

"Gov. Francisco Cabeza de Vaca said on his official Twitter account that he will continue working . . ."

What a guy! Frankie, you da man. Gonna wear a mask? Or are you just gonna share?
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Post by Jreboll on Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:16 pm

In other words, he wants to continue robbing the state so his family is well off after he’s gone.

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