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Post by CanuckBob Fri May 20, 2022 10:08 am

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Tax reform requires expats to obtain taxpayer registration by July 1

The change will help the government spot money laundering and other illegal financial transactions

All foreign residents in Mexico will soon be required to have a tax number due to a recent tax reform.

Temporary and permanent residents aged 18 or over or anyone with a CURP identity number must have an RFC number by July 1 whether they earn income in Mexico or not.

RFC stands for Registro Federal de Contribuyentes, or Federal Taxpayers Registry. RFC numbers are used by the federal government for a range of purposes, among which are to track income and detect potential cases of money laundering.

An application for an RFC number must be lodged in person at an office of the federal tax agency SAT. The first step in the process is to make an appointment at your nearest SAT office via the agency’s online portal (Spanish only)

To make an appointment to get an RFC, after following the link in our story, click on “Registrar Cita” (Make an appointment).
If you don’t understand Spanish you can use Google Translate to convert the text to English.

After requesting an appointment (registrar cita) and choosing the option for an individual taxpayer (persona física) you will be required to enter your CURP number, which appears on residency cards, as well as your full name and email address.

You will then be directed to a new page, where you will need to select the service for which you’d like to make an appointment, the state in which you live and the office at which you would like to lodge your application.

After you have done that, you will either be able to schedule an appointment on the page’s virtual calendar or be told that no appointments are available and given the option to join a fila virtual or virtual line. By entering your email address you will be sent a “token” – an alphanumeric code – that can be used to join the virtual line.

You will then receive an email confirming you are in the virtual line and advising you to monitor your email for an appointment date and time. On the day of your appointment, you will need to take a variety of documents to the SAT office.

According to the SAT website, foreigners applying for a RFC number themselves need:

A valid migration document, i.e. a residency card.
Proof of address, such as a bank statement, electricity bill or rental contract.
A passport.
Paul Kurtzweil from the YouTube channel Two Expats in Mexico said in a video about the RFC application process that foreigners should also take a printout of their CURP – available here – and a thumb drive with them when applying for their tax number.

“They’re going to be putting some things on there for you, so don’t forget that item,” he said.

To begin generating your Proof of Fiscal/Tax Situation document after following the link in our story, scroll to the bottom and click on the gold button saying “EJECUTAR EN LINEA.”
Trisha Velarmino, who provides a detailed account of her experience applying for an RFC number on the Mexico Insider website, said that SAT places a taxpayer’s firma digital or digital signature on his or her USB stick.

During the application process, SAT will collect biometric data from applicants, including facial photographs and fingerprints. There is no cost involved in applying for an RFC number, and the application process in a SAT office shouldn’t take longer than 40 minutes.

Kurtzweil said in his RFC video that it’s increasingly difficult to get things done in Mexico due to recent legislative and rule changes. He said that people have been unable to open bank accounts and buy cars because they didn’t have a RFC number.

Lakeside News, an English-language news outlet that publishes on the Semanario Laguna website, said that without an RFC number on your electricity bill, you won’t be able to sell your house or buy a car. It also noted that in some places, an RFC number is needed to open a bank account or contract internet service.

Another bureaucratic requirement of foreigners once they have an RFC number is to obtain a document called Constancia de Situación Fiscal (Proof of Fiscal/Tax Situation). That document will be required by any foreigners doing business in Mexico, even if that business is simply being an electricity, water or internet customer.

According to Lakeside News, companies will soon be asking foreigners for their Constancia de Situación Fiscal if they are not doing so already.

The document can be obtained via the SAT website. Two Expats in Mexico has a video detailing how to get a Constancia de Situación Fiscal online.

With reports from Semanario Laguna/Lakeside News


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Post by SunshineyDay Fri May 20, 2022 10:30 am

So if we started bank accts, CFE, Telmex, Telcel etc in the past we have to contact each entity and give them our RFC? Will this be a requirement to be able to use them as proof of address for example?

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Post by CanuckBob Fri May 20, 2022 10:37 am

I believe they will eventually ask for an RFC #. Some people have an old RFC however it has to be renewed as stated in the article above. My accountant took me to the SAT office last year to do this. I recommend taking someone who speaks Spanish if you aren't fluent.

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Post by BisbeeGal Fri May 20, 2022 10:41 am

We had to get RFC's in 2017 to register a car here.  We made a .pdf of them and can print as needed.  

I'm not going to go out of my way to contact various businesses which may or may not want to see it.  They can contact me.  

You can validate your RFC here, but I don't know where you can view/print/download the actual document.

https://agsc.siat.sat.gob.mx/PTSC/ValidaRFC/index.jsf


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Post by BisbeeGal Fri May 20, 2022 10:43 am

CanuckBob wrote:I believe they will eventually ask for an RFC #. Some people have an old RFC however it has to be renewed as stated in the article above. My accountant took me to the SAT office last year to do this. I recommend taking someone who speaks Spanish if you aren't fluent.

Bob do you have a business or individual RFC? They are different lengths. Individual RFC's are 13 characters, business RFC's are 12.
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Post by CanuckBob Fri May 20, 2022 10:53 am

I guess I have an individual since it is 13 characters however my business name is also mentioned on the certificate.

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Post by CanuckBob Fri May 20, 2022 10:56 am

To add the RFC to your CFE bill (which is the requirement to sell a property) you need to go to their office and apply. There is no on-line way to add your RFC #.

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Post by SunshineyDay Fri May 20, 2022 11:01 am

I checked to see if my rfc was registered on the website and it said it was valid and I bought a house and a car so do I have to renew it?

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Post by CanuckBob Fri May 20, 2022 11:06 am

Well if you have never been to the SAT office then yes you probably need to re-register it. That's what happened with me. My accountant contacted me and said he had to take me to SAT to re-register my RFC.

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Post by BisbeeGal Fri May 20, 2022 11:18 am

CanuckBob wrote:Well if you have never been to the SAT office then yes you probably need to re-register it. That's what happened with me. My accountant contacted me and said he had to take me to SAT to re-register my RFC.

I didn't see anything in article saying RFC's needed to be renewed..did I miss it??

Maybe since yours is in Business name, that was reason for renewing??

As long as mine says "valid" at SAT site I'm not gonna worry about it.
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Post by CanuckBob Fri May 20, 2022 11:45 am

Not sure however I had an RFC for years which my accountant used to file my Bi-monthly taxes. Then either last year or the year before he called me and said my RFC was no longer accepted until I go to the SAT office and have everything confirmed including finger prints and uploads of my Residency Visa card. Maybe "renew" is the wrong word.

It does say "An application for an RFC number must be lodged in person at an office of the federal tax agency SAT."

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Post by mudgirl Fri May 20, 2022 10:37 pm

That's strange. I have also had an RFC for years, 16 as a matter of fact. But a couple of years ago, when I tried to generate a factura for a client who requested one, I couldn't, as it said my Fiel had expired. Maybe that's what happened to you, too, not that you had to renew your RFC. I tried to get an appt. at SAT for a new one, but that was right at the height of the pandemic, and it was impossible to get an appointment. My RFC still worked fine and although I had to tell the client I couldn't issue a factura, I continued to file and pay my taxes bimonthly.

Up until this year, I did it all myself, but as the tax regieme has changed, and Airbnb is now doing the tax withholding, it's all too complicated for me, so I hired an accountant. She issued a factura to one of my clients last month, so I assume she was able to deal with the expired Fiel and generate a new one.

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Post by NoVaDamer Sat May 21, 2022 2:01 am

Just a guess about "re-certifying" or renewing your RFC: if you already have one from years past, I don't think the Mexican government acquired any biometric data on you when you got it. Now it looks like they want to, and they want to give you an electronic ID in the form of a file. So that requires a visit.
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Post by CanuckBob Sat May 21, 2022 7:28 am

Yes, exactly Novadamer. I acquired my original RFC online about 10 years ago.

Another thing to consider is that Mexico has been very lacks in pursuing taxation on worldwide income from Expats. Yes, many people here are from countries that have a tax treaty with Mexico but that tax treaty doesn't cover ALL forms of foreign income. I have heard that this is also a precursor to getting foreigners to file for their worldwide income hence the reason all foreigners are required to get this.

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Post by mudgirl Sat May 21, 2022 10:20 am

NoVaDamer wrote:Just a guess about "re-certifying" or renewing your RFC: if you already have one from years past, I don't think the Mexican government acquired any biometric data on you when you got it. Now it looks like they want to, and they want to give you an electronic ID in the form of a file. So that requires a visit.

Well, I first got my RFC back in 2004, and in 2014 I had to update it when they changed the tax reporting system.

At that point they took an iris scan, so they have been collecting that sort of info since at least 2014.

And the electronic ID existed from that time as well.

Perhaps those who have had an RFC for a long time, but never used it for reporting income made in Mexico and paying taxes weren't subject to those things, but I was and am, running a business.

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Post by John-in-Vallarta Sat May 21, 2022 4:38 pm

Not sure why you can't apply on the Sat website instead at a local office. The SAT website starts here: https://www.sat.gob.mx/tramites/operacion/82714/realiza-tu-inscripcion-en-el-rfc-persona-fisica

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Post by BisbeeGal Sat May 21, 2022 5:24 pm

John-in-Vallarta wrote:Not sure why you can't apply on the Sat website instead at a local office. The SAT website starts here: https://www.sat.gob.mx/tramites/operacion/82714/realiza-tu-inscripcion-en-el-rfc-persona-fisica

Bureaucratic ineptitude?  They say you must go in person.  

I just did some quick & dirty math:

Population GDL-Metro Area:  5.3 million (fyi, doesn't include Chapala...goes as far as Ixtlahuacan)
% under age of 18:  25%
# Residents GDL-Metro subject to RFC: about 4 million (75% of 5.3 million)
# Already having in-person RFC's (fingerprints, etc.):  my estimate, maybe 30%??  It's not like gardeners, maids, waiters, laborers, shop workers, factory workers or most employees have one.  If anything I am being generous.  
# of SAT offices in Guadalajara: 2
Deadline to go to SAT office: June 30th
Work Days between today and June 30th: 28
# of people needing appointments:  2.8 million (70% of 4 million)
Daily number of people needing appointments thru June 30th: 100,000
Spread over 2 GDL offices per day: 50,000

Yeah, that oughta work  Very Happy
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Post by mudgirl Sat May 21, 2022 6:49 pm

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CanuckBob wrote:I believe they will eventually ask for an RFC #. Some people have an old RFC however it has to be renewed as stated in the article above. My accountant took me to the SAT office last year to do this. I recommend taking someone who speaks Spanish if you aren't fluent.

Bob do you have a business or individual RFC?  They are different lengths.  Individual RFC's are 13 characters, business RFC's are 12.  

My RFC is 13 characters and I have run a business since 2004. But my business is under my name. A business RFC would be one that is registered in the name of a company or corporation. A small business owner has an individual RFC number, even though they run a business and pay taxes on it.

That's some impressive math you did. Maybe you should send it to the head SAT honchos in Mexico City to show them how ludicrous their time-line is :-) I'm sure they never considered the actual implementation of their new decree. Not their department.

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Post by cypress Sun May 22, 2022 8:13 am

SunshineyDay wrote:I checked to see if my rfc was registered on the website and it said it was valid and I bought a house and a car so do I have to renew it?
No, pay no intention to this nonsense-it will pass.

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Post by brigitte Sun May 22, 2022 3:58 pm

we had problems with the RFC the bank gave us 20 years ago. In 2019 3 years ago we went to SAT and they updated the RFC and gave us a CONSTANCIA DE SITUACION FISCAL. The notario told me she had to have a new one so if you got your RFC from SAT 3 years ago or more it is not valid for the sale of the house or the writing of a new escritura

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Post by CanuckBob Mon May 23, 2022 7:07 am

What exactly is the CONSTANCIA DE SITUACION FISCAL? A document?

EDIT: To answer my own question......Yes, it is a document. I just found mine.

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Post by brigitte Mon May 23, 2022 12:19 pm

Bob my notario told me aan accountant could help with the process. I see it is available on line for businesses, I do not see it for individual.. This RFC brings up many things, a password with SAT an electronic signature, a photo of the yes or something like that... reading a long sentence in Spanish so I guess it has voice recognition and of course scanning the of the INE of ID.. It sounds like a total takeover by the government of all personal information, it sounds much more like a police or security type of ID than a tax id.. I guess that will be their national ID after INE or before it.. Pretty funny when you hear people being against Facebook or other internet programs for invasion of privacy, this is a total take over of all personal information, they need to add the ADN and they will have everything... A little scary

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Post by brigitte Mon May 23, 2022 12:20 pm

Bob my notario told me aan accountant could help with the process. I see it is available on line for businesses, I do not see it for individual.. This RFC brings up many things, a password with SAT an electronic signature, a photo of the yes or something like that... reading a long sentence in Spanish so I guess it has voice recognition and of course scanning the  of the INE of ID.. It sounds like a total takeover by the government of all personal information, it sounds much more like a police or security type of ID than a tax id.. I guess that will be their national ID after INE or before it.. Pretty funny when you hear people being against Facebook or other  internet programs for invasion of privacy, this is a total take over of all personal information, they need to add the ADN and they will have everything... A little scary

The constancia is a proof that your RFC is registered with SAT

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Post by mudgirl Mon May 23, 2022 1:02 pm

The Constancia also shows any lucrative activities you have registered with them and the tax category you are in.

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Post by ferret Mon May 23, 2022 1:42 pm

I do not know if this will be of help but worth a try... SAT launches facility to request your Proof of Tax Situation with Tax Identification Card | Tax Administration Service | | Government gob.mx (www.gob.mx) https://www.gob.mx/sat/prensa/sat-lanza-facilidad-para-solicitar-tu-constancia-de-situacion-fiscal-con-cedula-de-identificacion-fiscal-047-2021?idiom=es

I use Microsoft Edge as my browser and it automatically translates from Spanish to English for me.

This service MAY only be for actual taxpayers. I dunno.
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