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Post by CheenaGringo Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:03 pm

Chris:

It couldn't have anything to do with the way the US treats Mexicans going north, could it?

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Post by gringal Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:05 pm

Just wondering: I don't expect Spencer or Rolly to give us the final Word on any of the 8 pages of speculation, bitching, panic or general confusion expressed on TOB. You want free advice on what the future will bring? Try tea leaves or your local gypsy.

I do have a couple of questions that may be answerable: We've been here nearly 9 years; 5 years on FM3 non working: 4 on non working FM2 to expire in June of 2013.

1) When do we come in to your office, Spencer, to do something about that? Used to be 30 days before expiration.
2) Can we go directly to applying for citizenship at this point? That is our ultimate intent.

Thanks for any answers.


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Post by E-raq Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:44 pm

gringal wrote:Just wondering: I don't expect Spencer or Rolly to give us the final Word on any of the 8 pages of speculation, bitching, panic or general confusion expressed on TOB. You want free advice on what the future will bring? Try tea leaves or your local gypsy.

I do have a couple of questions that may be answerable: We've been here nearly 9 years; 5 years on FM3 non working: 4 on non working FM2 to expire in June of 2013.

1) When do we come in to your office, Spencer, to do something about that? Used to be 30 days before expiration.
2) Can we go directly to applying for citizenship at this point? That is our ultimate intent.

Thanks for any answers.


We're in the same boat, 13 years here, almost 14. we have 10 years on the fm3. On our third renewal of the FM2 inmigrado, all non working. So we'd like to know the same thing as Gringal. If you can that is. Our expiry is in May.
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Post by angela04101 Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:31 pm

Or does the old method of longevity on an FM2 or FM3 even apply any more? It's almost as if all that really counts is how much money you can bring here.

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Post by Rolly Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:44 pm

I guess some of us were expecting / hoping the new Residente Temporal would look a lot like an FM3, but it turns out to look more like an FM2. The financial requirement for FM2 was 400 days, and it was the last stop before permanent residency -- just like Residente Temporal .

It will be interesting to see how Aduana/Banjercito deal with cars and working visas.
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Post by topliss Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:22 pm

Intercasa wrote:Also fees are much higher although they require less photos (3 instead of 5) so the 20 pesos you save on photos can be applied towards the extra $2,000 pesos in government fees.

A little humor goes a long way when you're trying to find the devil in the details.

What's your take on the stuff towards the bottom (especially under Capitulo IV) dealing with: cambio a visitante por razones humanitarias.? In some of these it seems your Mexican wife, girlfriend, son, daughter, et cetera can petition the INM for you to be admitted on a resident card following a successful interview and investigation by the local consulate.

On a bright note for anyone who wants to learn Spanish at a university the income requirement for a Temporary Resident Student Visa is only 150 times the DF Daily Minimum Wage (150 x 62.33 = 9349.50 pesitos). Maybe some entrepreneur could set up a chain of diploma mills certified by the SEP and catering to those priced out by changes in the rules.

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Post by Rolly Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:02 pm

Those financial requirements are for a first time application.
Here is an e-mail from a cyber friend in SMA:
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I just returned from INM and learned something new. If you all ready have an FM2 you must get a TEMPORARY visa until you have 5 years total. FM3 doesn't count as time served. We have one year credit on our FM2s so we need a temporary visa for 4 more years before we can go to the permanent status. Also if you all ready have a FM2 you do not need to show solvency. No financial statements are required at all. The office in SMA didn't have the bank forms to pay for more than one year so we have to return next week when they say that the forms will be available to pay for four years.
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Stay tuned as the drama continues to unfold

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Post by CheenaGringo Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:53 pm

Rolly:

Based upon previous disparities between the actions of the various INM Offices, would this statement out of San Miguel de Allende be like trying to walk on quicksand while assuming that all INM Offices will have the same definitions?

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Post by topliss Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:00 pm

From the Lineamientos Tramites 5 & 7, Requisito IV subsection on Unidad Familiar:

1. VĂ­nculo con mexicano:

i. Si el solicitante tiene hijo mexicano, acta de nacimiento mexicana o extranjera del hijo mexicano, en original y copia; o

Si el solicitante tiene padre o madre mexicano, siempre y cuando sea niña, niño o adolescente y no haya contraído matrimonio o se encuentre en estado de interdicción y esté bajo su representación legal, acta de nacimiento del solicitante, en original y copia; o

Si el solicitante es hijo del cónyuge; concubinario o concubina o figura equivalente de un mexicano, siempre y cuando sea niña, niño o adolescente y no haya contraído matrimonio o se encuentre en estado de interdicción y esté bajo su representación legal:

- Acta de nacimiento del solicitante, en original y copia; y

- Acta de matrimonio o documento que acredite el concubinato con el mexicano, en original y copia; o

Si el solicitante es hermano de mexicano, acta de nacimiento del solicitante y de su hermano, en original y copia; y

ii. Documento probatorio de la nacionalidad mexicana, conforme al artĂ­culo 3o. de la Ley de Nacionalidad, en original y copia

iii. Acreditar solvencia econĂłmica para la manutenciĂłn del familiar durante su estancia en el paĂ­s, con:

- Original y copia de comprobante de inversiones o cuentas bancarias con saldo promedio mensual equivalente a trescientos dĂ­as de salario mĂ­nimo general vigente en el Distrito Federal, durante los Ăşltimos seis meses, o

- Original y copia de los documentos que demuestren que cuenta con empleo o pensión con ingresos mensuales libres de gravámenes mayores al equivalente de cien días de salario mínimo general vigente en el Distrito Federal, durante los últimos seis meses.


In my case I am divorced from a Mexican and have a three year old Mexican son. It seems here under part iii. that the Economic Solvency requirements for those with Familial links to Mexicans are much much less. Either 300 x 62.33 per month in the bank and/orinvested; or alternatively 100 x 62.33 in a salary or pension. Myself, I am partially disabled and receive Social Security Disability each month in the amount of around 200x the daily minimum wage in the DF depending on the exchange.

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Post by Rolly Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:06 pm

Be careful translating "residente temporal."
That is the name of the new visa. Don't read it as temporary residency such as comes from an FM3 or FM2. It ain't the same thing.
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Post by Rolly Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:13 pm

CheenaGringo wrote:Rolly:
Based upon previous disparities between the actions of the various INM Offices, would this statement out of San Miguel de Allende be like trying to walk on quicksand while assuming that all INM Offices will have the same definitions?

Yes, that office does seem to operate in a satellite universe.
It is also obvious that the lady is not being given credit for her time on an FM2.
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Post by sparks Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:07 am

>>>>> We have one year credit on our FM2s so we need a temporary visa for 4 more years before we can go to the permanent status

Sounds like they get one years credit
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Post by Rolly Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:21 am

No, Amigo, it takes only four year with a Residente Temporal to move to R. Perminate. So claiming that it takes five years is BS. She got nothing. She has to do four years, effectively starting from scratch.
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Post by sparks Sat Nov 10, 2012 1:33 am

Sounds like a Guanajuato issue again
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Post by Rolly Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:47 pm

GOOD NEWS looks like our time in country will be grandfathered in the new visas.

That's the news from Manzanillo and Mazatlan INM offices as reported by Sparks over on MexConnect.
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Post by CheenaGringo Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:10 pm

If one desires an education on Gringos run amok, head on over to TOB.

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Post by gringal Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:27 pm

CheenaGringo wrote:If one desires an education on Gringos run amok, head on over to TOB.

Ain't that the truth. The usual assumptions, utter self focus, contempt for the wisdom of the rule makers, and a level of whining that would do honor to a two year old. bounce

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Post by SunsetKid Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:37 pm

If one has an FM3 and does not qualify is there a provision for an extension to exit(to sell possesions and etc) the country. If not can one still do the 180 day tourist visa every 6 months with lower income requirements in the future?
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Post by sparks Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:13 pm

If immigration can't give you an FMM when they give you the thumbs down ... then I guess it's the border
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Post by sparks Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:17 pm

Rolly wrote:Be careful translating "residente temporal."
That is the name of the new visa. Don't read it as temporary residency such as comes from an FM3 or FM2. It ain't the same thing.

Is Yukalandia claiming FM2's won't get credit and FM3's will if the law is read literally
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Post by CheenaGringo Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:23 pm

Before taking anything posted by Yucalandia as the gospel, you might want to think about how many times over the past 14+ months he has claimed to have the inside track on just what was going to happen when the new law was implemented. Also, please think about how many times in the past, he has provided examples of how things are done in the Yucatan that conflict with experiences elsewhere.

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Post by Rolly Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:41 pm

The revised INM do everything online form is now up.
Read more here: http://rollybrook.com/inm-form-1.htm
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Post by Chapalagringa Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:20 pm

Any news for what it may look like for folks with a work visa receiving permanent status?
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Post by topliss Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:36 pm

It would be nice is webmaster@inm.gob.mx would update their official glossary of terms: http://www.inm.gob.mx/index.php/page/Glosario_de_Terminos
(It was last modified on 11/11/11)

Also better hope for good luck as far as SRE updating the websites of the various consulates (some of them still don't account for the comparatively minor changes two years ago) and filling in the diplomats on the new details. Not to mention that most of those folks will be playing musical chairs once PRI moves back into Los Pinos on December 1 after a 12 year absence.

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Post by Chapalagringa Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:04 am

Did someone already post this?

http://www.inm.gob.mx/static/marco_juridico/pdf/Ley_de_Migracion_y_Reglamento.pdf
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Post by E-raq Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:44 am

It'll probably all change Dec 1st. No way they want foreigners leaving when they make far more than the average Mexican. Get real.

Who the hell dreamed this up, and what were they smoking?
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