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Post by coffeeguy on Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:37 pm


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Post by cerebrozo on Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:50 am

The link you posted requires a paid subscription.
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Post by rckrckr on Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:30 am

It worked for me, I don't have a subscription.

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Post by Trailrunner on Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:38 am

Didn't work for me either. Using Android tablet.
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Post by cypress on Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:08 am

I would have to sign up to view it.

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Post by CanuckBob on Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:09 am

It worked for me on my Fire. It mentions a huge stimulus package for small businesses. If anyone hears anything more on that or how to apply please post it here. We have two small businesses dead in the water......lol. And yes we pay taxes on them.

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Post by mattoleriver on Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:55 am

Here you go, CBob. I won't copy the entire article but this may get you going.

"On Friday, President Andrés Manuel López Obrador announced a $2.5 billion stimulus package to mitigate the effects of the pandemic, but he offered no details on how the money will be distributed. A loan program for small businesses will be set up through the Social Security Institute (ISSSTE), though it is so far unclear how much money those in the informal economy will be able to borrow."

This paragraph included these links. Usually the links get copied. scratch

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-mexico-economy/under-pressure-mexicos-president-to-inject-2-5-billion-into-economy-idUSKBN21Z36H

https://www.eleconomista.com.mx/politica/Sin-contemplar-ningun-estimulo-o-incentivo-20200406-0017.html
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Post by gringal on Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:04 am

It downloaded for me, but very, very slowly. Good article.

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Post by ComputerGuy on Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:22 am

If you have previously viewed the Washington Post Website, a counting cookie was installed on your computer. As withe the Times, you are allowed maybe one free view before the subscription window comes up.

This can usually be worked around by finding and deleting any cookies that include "times" or "post".
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Post by coffeeguy on Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:38 pm

Here's the WaPo article as a cut and paste. The photos won't come through.

On March 22, a tweet appeared on my timeline featuring a photo that read, in Spanish: “Dear clients, we want to inform you that we will be here working until coronavirus kills us.” The scene behind and around the words was familiar; it could be almost any neighborhood market in Mexico.
Immediately I felt a pang of guilt and worry. I live in Mexico City and hadn’t been to my local market, Mercado La Dalia, in weeks — fear of the virus (and the privilege of having a small stockpile of canned and frozen foods) kept me in my apartment. (On Friday, Mexico had more than 6,800 confirmed cases of covid-19 and more than 500 deaths.)
But the tweet reminded me that I was part of the problem, that I was one in a sea of customers likely going to the market far less. I put on a mask and gloves, suiting up to go buy some kiwis and avocados, to talk to the people still working in the stalls and keeping this corner of the city fed.



TOP: Lorenzo Zavaleta Lucas, who sells carnitas tacos in Mercado La Dalia, said he had never seen the market so empty. BOTTOM LEFT: A stuffed rabbit wearing a Cruz Azul soccer jersey wears a face mask. BOTTOM RIGHT: Many people in Mexico feel a sense of protection from the virus thanks to their strong religious beliefs.
I have no right to claim that anything is truly “mine” in Mexico. I’m a foreigner who moved here to be with my now-husband, who clumsily learned Spanish and more clumsily still learned how to survive in this colossal metro area of 21.5 million. But the words still slip from my mouth: “Well, at my market … ”

A local market in Mexico City is an entirely different shopping experience from the grocery stores I grew up in the United States. Stands run through tall, spacious buildings, overflowing with produce, dried peppers and spices, meats, dairy, candles, piñatas, cleaning products, dog food. There are also breakfast spots and taco stands, each with its own specialty: carnitas, cabeza, suadero. Sellers offer many of the same products, but loyalty goes a long way. I have my chicken lady, and I am her chicken customer. I have my flower guy, and I’m the woman who can never remember any of the names of his flowers but buys them anyway.
When I walked into Mercado La Dalia, just a few blocks from my apartment, I noticed the closures immediately. The halls were quieter. Stalls were covered in sheets or tarps. Benjamín, my flower guy, was gone, his stall also covered.

An empty taco stall in Mercado la Dalia in Mexico City. Signs advertise food to go. (Meghan Dhaliwal/FTWP)
The people who work in the markets are members of Mexico’s informal economy, which makes up about 30 percent of Mexico’s gross domestic product. Workers in the informal economy face greater economic uncertainty and receive fewer (if any) protections. They also run a higher risk of contracting the virus, given that they cannot take paid time off work and many of their jobs — garbage collectors, street vendors, cleaning staff, delivery personnel — are essential.
On Friday, President Andrés Manuel López Obrador announced a $2.5 billion stimulus package to mitigate the effects of the pandemic, but he offered no details on how the money will be distributed. A loan program for small businesses will be set up through the Social Security Institute (ISSSTE), though it is so far unclear how much money those in the informal economy will be able to borrow.

People in La Dalia didn’t seem hopeful. Almost everyone I talked to mentioned a dip in customers. “I’ve never seen the market like this, never,” said Veronica Mora, “and I’ve worked here for 30 years.” She cuts raw chicken (on days when I am not working, I am proudly her chicken customer) with scissors and fusses with her face mask. “We sell food here, people need food. So we haven’t been affected so badly, but we will be affected. I am sure of it.”

Mercado la Dalia, in Mexico City's neighborhood of Santa Maria la Ribera, is still seeing some activity, though now there are restrictions on the number of people who can enter. (Meghan Dhaliwal/FTWP)
One thing that doesn’t scare many: the virus itself. I heard a variety of theories ranging from religious proclamations of protection to the idea that if you eat healthy and exercise, the virus can’t really hurt you.

Javier Sánchez shaves corn off the cob at the stall he works at with his brother. (Meghan Dhaliwal/FTWP)

I walked laps around the market and saw the majority of vendors wearing masks, though some with the mask looped around their chin or covering just their mouth. It was near-impossible to maintain six feet between people, and it seemed as though most people weren’t invested in the effort. A few days ago, the market put restrictions on the number of people who can enter. Benjamín López, who has worked in the market for 27 years, said he wears his face mask when he leaves the market but doesn’t need it here. “People are really afraid. I think what they need more than anything is information, real information.”



TOP: Closed stalls at the market are covered in blankets or tarps. BOTTOM LEFT: Juan Sánchez said his mother worries about him and his brother and prays for them every day. BOTTOM RIGHT: Claudia González is worried even though she sells items sought after during the pandemic, such as cleaning supplies. "The virus doesn’t scare us so much, but we’re very afraid for our business."
As Mexico’s president continues to face criticism over his slow initial response and dismissive attitude, the country’s health official taking the lead on covid-19 recently said that the country likely has eight times as many cases of coronavirus than are being reported. Public hospitals are already facing shortages of personal protective equipment. And even Mexico’s $17 billion medical device industry ramps up production of ventilator components and hospital beds, very few will stay behind — López Obrador acknowledged recently that there were only 5,000 ventilators in the country.
The products, manufactured largely in factories run by U.S. corporations, will land in almost every hospital in the United States. Very few will remain in Mexico

One of the main entryways to Mercado la Dalia, which is often bustling. (Meghan Dhaliwal/FTWP)
In La Dalia, Javier Sánchez shaved corn off the cob. At the stall he runs with his brother Juan, there is no talk of virus phases or strain on the public health-care system. Neither expresses personal concern about the virus, but Juan says their elderly mother is worried about them and is asking God to protect her sons each day.
“There is really no other way for us,” Juan said. “So we are here. Until we are shut down, we are here. Maybe we’ll see you again soon?”

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Post by Trailrunner on Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:19 pm

So sad. Playing out like this all over the country.
Thanks, CG.
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Post by martinf on Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:35 am

for anyone that can't access the WP article -- https://outline.com/yLRuV2

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Post by cerebrozo on Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:46 am

Jalisco's relief/stimulus plan to support small businesses, those who are self employed and others (1 billion pesos) was launched in late March 2020.  I don't know how it's been doing so far.  

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Post by ferret on Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:23 am

https://www.jalisco.gob.mx/es/prensa/noticias/103124

I do not think this helps the informal enterprises. Lots of people going to fall through the cracks so help where you can and if you can.
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Post by lakeside7 on Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:55 am

cerebrozo wrote:Jalisco's relief/stimulus plan to support small businesses, those who are self employed and others (1 billion pesos) was launched in late March 2020.  I don't know how it's been doing so far.  

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One of my small business Mexican friend made the comment is that the process it is too complicated and requires too much information which we do not wish to share!!!

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Post by Lady Otter Latté on Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:53 pm

lakeside7 wrote:
cerebrozo wrote:Jalisco's relief/stimulus plan to support small businesses, those who are self employed and others (1 billion pesos) was launched in late March 2020.  I don't know how it's been doing so far.  

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One of my small business  Mexican friend made the comment is that the process it is too complicated and requires too much information which we do not wish to share!!!

If your friend thinks the process is too complicated and obtrusive than they do not need to participate.
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