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Post by artsnob Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:23 pm

Does anyone know when it will be available lakeside, because l am 80 with acute asthma that l would be first to get it, where do we register...

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Post by CanuckBob Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:15 am

Maybe talk with your GP?

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Post by Jreboll Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:28 am

Wasn’t AMLO in talks with Putin about getting the Russian vaccine?

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Post by brigitte Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:20 am

I read they were getting Sputnik in December.. we will see..

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Post by jgriff Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:06 am

Are you sure you want to try it ?

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Post by slainte39 Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:16 pm

artsnob wrote:Does anyone know when it will be available lakeside,  because l am 80 with acute asthma that l would be first to get it, where do we register...

The Russian vaccine will be the first available here, as Bob says check with your primary physician. I think the first to receive it will be the health care workers and professionals.

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Post by beener Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:08 am

Are you willing to get a shot of God only knows what.
Remember the 50's and untested vaccine, I don't need 3 thumbs,,,
Think first folks

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Post by CHILLIN Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:05 am

I think most of us here are of an age where we do not worry about potential birth defects. Both Russia and China have created some world class technogical and medical breakthroughs, but they do not get the recognitian they deserve.

Besides, I would like three thumbs, I would become the world's best bass player and hitchhiker. You are getting a shot of God only knows what everytime you consume an overprocessed food item.
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Post by mudgirl Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:06 am

beener wrote:Are you willing to get a shot of God only knows what.
Remember the 50's and untested vaccine, I don't need 3 thumbs,,,
Think first folks

What "untested vaccine" are you referring to? I seem to remember the polio vaccine, in the 50's, saving millions from a life in a wheelchair.

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Post by brigitte Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:58 am

chillin there are two sides to the story, one China and Russia may have the capabilty to produce a good vaccine, the problem is that you cannot trust their system of check and balance as the government there is all powerful and will do whatever they want to do that suit them. They really do not care about colateral damage..







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Post by ComputerGuy Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:31 am

1950's: Smallpox, Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis. Polio (IPV). None of these caused serious issues. Then came measles, mumps, and rubella., and so on. The only problem with any of them was because of that idiot doctor, who immediately lost his license, writing in a British journal. He created today's herd of anti-vaccers out of thin air. Each and every one now a moron.

The poster is no doubt thinking of thalidomide, for pregnant women. It was not a vaccine.
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Post by Jreboll Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:34 am

I’ve seen a few doctors who go against established medical teachings. They espouse things like high fat, high salt diets. I believe they’re doing this just to get hits.

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Post by ComputerGuy Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:49 am

beener wrote:Are you willing to get a shot of God only knows what.
Remember the 50's and untested vaccine, I don't need 3 thumbs,,,
Think first folks

I don't recall any untested vaccines. But more to the point, would you be suggesting that the Covid-19 vaccines are "untested"? As in, it's taken them this long to not test them?
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Post by CHILLIN Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:05 am

There is a good probability that the herd need to serve the hive is much higher in Russia and China. The equivocal, actual out of pocket prices, are vastly apart.

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Post by mudgirl Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:52 am

Jreboll wrote:I’ve seen a few doctors who go against established medical teachings.  They espouse things like high fat, high salt diets. I believe they’re doing this just to get hits.

There are definitely doctors who have alternative ideas that abrade the medical establishment. They aren't all kooks, though. The high fat thing- it's actually true that people have been led to believe that they should eat a low fat diet no matter what and that isn't healthy. Fats are a essential part of what we should be consuming but it's that there are good fats that we should be eating and bad ones that we should never eat. I heard an interview with a pediatrician on CBC many years ago who said he was seeing more and more children who were malnourished. It wasn't that they were poor- they came from well-off families. But they were being fed "low fat" everything, and skim milk, when children require a lot of fat in their diet to stay healthy and develop good brain function. He said there's no reason for healthy adults to avoid good fats or eat low fat diets unless they never exercise, are overweight, and lead sedentary lives.

There is a doctor in Italy who was vilified by the Italian medical establishment because of his unconventional cancer treatments. He believes, with good reason, that cancer is candida gone wild and that it arises from an acidic system. He was pumping a simple baking soda, i.e. alkaline, solution directly to the affected organs of his cancer patients and they were all being cured. But that was far too simple a solution for the medical and pharmaceutical industries. He even said, Hey, if the pharmaceutical companies want to create a cancer drug which is just a simple solution like I'm using, give it a fancy name and charge a fortune for it, that doesn't matter to me- I'm just trying to save my patients' lives.

There are people with innovative ideas which go against mainstream thinking, in many fields, and although there are many who are just nut cases or out to make a buck by selling their book, or their treatments, but they certainly aren't all wrong. Sometimes it takes many years for the rest of their profession to come around to the same way of thinking. Back in the 50's doctors encouraged women to bottle-feed. This was proven to be a poor alternative to breast feeding, and now women are encouraged to breast-feed.

People used to think the world was flat (and some still do). Someone has to be the first to challenge current ideas which may be false or misguided.

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Post by slainte39 Sat Nov 28, 2020 9:58 am

beener wrote:Are you willing to get a shot of God only knows what.
Remember the 50's and untested vaccine, I don't need 3 thumbs,,,
Think first folks

Russia and China are not backward countries when it comes to science and technology.  The US has to jump through hoops to get intelligence about where they are in a lot of fields.
Whether I would use the Russian vaccine or not, depends on how many dead, or serious side effects the recipients develop.
They are probably more reliable than some of Trump´s medical expertise.(or his gifted Dr., who advises him)

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Post by gatosigi Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:55 pm

I am hearing more media talk about the Pfizer vaccine coming first. Governor Alfaro and the University of Guadalajara in the Spanish language report cited below announce the Sistema Radar Jalisco for distribution plans for several vaccines. The plan includes using some of the ultra cold freezers at the university. Those over 60, and people with chronic health coditions like hypertension will have priority.

https://tribunadelabahia.com.mx/noticias/jalisco/disenan-plan-para-aplicar-vacuna-contra-covid-en-jalisco-40592


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Post by gatosigi Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:31 pm

Today, El Informador reports Dr Hugo Lopez-Gatell saying that distribution of vaccines is a matter for the federal government, not states.
"México iniciará la aplicación de la vacuna a finales de diciembre, al igual que en la Unión Europea, aseguró esta semana el titular de la Secretaría de Relaciones Exteriores (SRE), Marcelo Ebrard."
[Mexico will start administering the vaccine at the end of Dec...]

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Post by BisbeeGal Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:21 am

gatosigi wrote:Today, El Informador reports Dr Hugo Lopez-Gatell saying that distribution of vaccines is a matter for the federal government, not states.
"México iniciará la aplicación de la vacuna a finales de diciembre, al igual que en la Unión Europea, aseguró esta semana el titular de la Secretaría de Relaciones Exteriores (SRE), Marcelo Ebrard."
[Mexico will start administering the vaccine at the end of Dec...]

If so, we're doomed.

AMLO's a joke when it comes to decisions. He again declined to recognize Biden as president-elect 2 days ago when pressed by reporters.    

But I have some faith in Alfaro---he's not afraid to buck the system.
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Post by CHILLIN Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:52 am

Don't forget that AMLO, like Trump, genuinely feels that he was cheated out of a political victory by fraud in the last Mexican election. There is more going on here than not being able to make a decision.
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Post by BisbeeGal Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:12 am

CHILLIN wrote:Don't forget that AMLO, like Trump, genuinely feels that he was cheated out of a political victory by fraud in the last Mexican election. There is more going on here than not being able to make a decision.
AMLO is also a Covid denier. Idiota!
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Post by RoyD Sun Nov 29, 2020 6:06 am

OK, from Florida. The vaccines (Pfizer & Moderna) are already being shipped to distribution centers. Here that is 5 Hospitals located in Jacksonville, Orlando, Hollywood (yeah we have one here too) Miami, & Tampa. It has to be chilled to -75 degrees and there are few places that can handled that. I read the state distribution plan, that was updated Nov. 8th. 4000 nursing homes, and assisted living communities will get there vaccine first. Medical workers and first responders are next. Then comes high risk patients ( I am in that category but wife is not), then senors not yet covered in the previous groups. After that, the general public.

Florida will have the capability to deliver up to 5 million per month when it ramps up. everyone's waiting on the FDA at this point. I am confident that they will only approve the vaccines if they are SAFE. That does not mean there will not be side effects from the shots. Common effects reported in the trials are a sore arm in the shot area, headache sometimes, feeling under the weather for 48 hours, and on rare occasions a low grade fever. Second shot a month later has less side effects, similar to the first, shot only lasting 24 hours.

My wife and I have total confidence in the medical system's checks and balances to make sure these vaccines are safe. We will not hesitate to get vaccinated when our number comes up. We cannot come back to Ajijic until that happens.

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Post by slainte39 Sun Nov 29, 2020 6:23 am

CHILLIN wrote:Don't forget that AMLO, like Trump, genuinely feels that he was cheated out of a political victory by fraud in the last Mexican election.

AMLO WON the last Mexican election. Maybe the voters were cheated.... lol!

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Post by helohfe Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:17 pm

Neither vaccine have been shown to provide immunity to COVID, however they significantly reduce the effects post exposure..None of the tested (vaccinated) patients were challenged with the Covid virus..Both are mRNA based and require cold stowage. This is what I read in following various vaccine development programs..There are some other vaccines being developed that provide immunity to the current COVID strains. Do your own research.

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Post by RickS Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:31 pm

helohfe wrote:Both are mRNA based and require cold stowage.

Only the Pfizer vaccine requires the -70C storage. The Moderna vaccine does require refrigeration but not to that extent. It requires -20C but it can stay effective stored in a regular refrigerator for up to 30 days after 'thawing', making it far less a logistical problem to roll out/administer.
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