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Post by espíritu del lago on Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:50 pm

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Post by hickton on Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:36 pm

Copy cat to whats been happening in london barca nice etc. Very sad. Not much you can do against these nutters.

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Post by espíritu del lago on Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:51 am

hickton wrote:Copy cat to whats been happening in london barca nice etc. Very sad. Not much you can do against these nutters.

"Authorities say he came to the United States seven years ago from Uzbekistan under what is called the Diversity Visa Program, which offers a lottery for people from countries with few immigrants in America."
http://abc7ny.com/2588935/

Wrong.
To be exact both parties are responsible.

"The program did originate in part in a bill introduced in 1990 by Schumer, who was then a member of the House. He proposed making a set numbers of visas available each year to “diversity immigrants” from “low-admission” countries.

Schumer’s measure was absorbed into a broader House immigration bill, which was sponsored by Schumer and 31 others, including several Republicans. The legislation passed in a bipartisan vote of 231-192. The Senate version, which contained the “diversity immigrants” provision, passed in an overwhelming 89-8 vote and was signed into law by President George H.W. Bush at the end of 1990."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/11/01/extreme-right-gins-up-a-culprit-for-n-y-terror-attack-chuck-schumer/?utm_term=.bbc49017fbb3
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Post by brigitte on Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:46 am

The guy was radicalized AFTER he arrived in the US so what can you do about that??
What can you do about the nutter from Las Vegas who certainly was better at killing than this nutter..
Changing lottery visas or immigration laws will have zero effect.. There are nuts  all over the place and whether they come from abroad or are domestic ones the problem is the same: if someone is willing to die to kill a bunch of other people out of the clear blue there is no much you can do.

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Post by gringal on Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:56 am

brigitte wrote:The guy was radicalized AFTER he arrived in the US so what can you do about that??
What can you do about the nutter from Las Vegas who certainly was better at killing than this nutter..
Changing lottery visas or immigration laws will have zero effect.. There are nuts  all over the place and whether they come from abroad or are domestic ones the problem is the same: if someone is willing to die to kill a bunch of other people out of the clear blue there is no much you can do.

Well said. The U.S. has turned into the kind of country where grade school kids are imitating KKK outfits and chanting hate. The major "terrorist" events in the U.S. A. have been perpetrated by white male born-in-the-USA malcontents. There was a movie about people being tested for potentially evil intentions.......but they aren't quite there yet. Give it time and techies. Suspect

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Post by brigitte on Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:58 am

In comparison the nutter in Nice killed 86 people this guy was an amateur

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Post by Trailrunner on Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:06 am

The US needs to reestablish the mental health facilities and mental health care that was dismantled by Reagan.

It won't solve all the problems but might eliminate or lock up a few nut cases before they are driven to kill.
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Post by espíritu del lago on Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:10 am

Bottom line the Muslims we allow legally, or illegally increases the RISK exponentially of more terror attacks, and American deaths.

As for the other murderers get them off the psychotropic drugs and limit ammunition and semi, full auto weapons.

Clearly there is no easy answer. Obviously I think marijuana should be legal in all forms. That would be a start.
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Post by espíritu del lago on Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:11 am

Trailrunner wrote:The US needs to reestablish the mental health facilities and mental health care that was dismantled by Reagan.

It won't solve all the problems but might eliminate or lock up a few nut cases before they are driven to kill.

100 percent in agreement.
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Post by espíritu del lago on Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:17 am

"The Masjid Omar Mosque was probed by a program that drew criticism from civil liberties advocates and was the subject of two federal lawsuits.
The Paterson mosque that some neighbors said the suspect in Tuesday's deadly terror attack in New York City attended was among several in New Jersey that the New York Police Department targeted as part of a broad surveillance program that was intended to identify "budding terrorist conspiracies."

http://www.northjersey.com/story/news/passaic/paterson/2017/10/31/nyc-terror-suspects-mosque-target-controversial-nypd-surveillance-effort/819826001/



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Post by gringal on Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:43 am

Try this one: How many people have been killed or wounded by Muslim terrorists in the U.S. in the last 40 years and how many by U.S. born citizens?
Do you really think any of the assassins would have sought mental health care if it had been available?

How about the fanatics who kill doctors or bomb womens' health clinics? Do you think any of them consider themselves in need of mental health treatment?

IMHO, the most dangerous people out there are those who are fanatically devoted to a "cause".....any cause. They consider themselves more right thinking than others, so the "others" are expendable.

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Post by brigitte on Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:22 am

The moslem increase to the risk is minimal especially in the US. The real danger is the white male population with access to guns..

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Post by Trailrunner on Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:57 am

brigitte wrote:The moslem increase to the risk is minimal especially in the US.  The real danger is the white male population with access to guns..
Yup.

Almost always crazy white American guys with an arsenal. If these crazy guys had ever acted out before or come to the attention of PD, EMS, hospitals, or the psychiatric community -AND THERE WAS A PLACE TO PUT THEM - they may have been committed and locked up long before they were a danger to society.


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Post by jrm30655 on Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:03 am

The thing I want to know is why so many people were in the park at 3pm on bicycles. Doesn't anyone work in NYC?

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Post by RVGRINGO on Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:54 am

Bring back the funny farms.
Bring back the draft.
Boot camp can sort them out & feed them to the funny farms.

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Post by Lady Otter Latté on Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:09 pm

I am old and my memory is not so good. What policy changes did Trump and his gestapo scream for after the Las Vegas mass shooting where a white guy killed 50 people and wounded 500 or so? Anyone?
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Post by Trailrunner on Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:24 pm

None that I recall, LOL, but then I'm old too.  Very Happy 

Yes, RVG!
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Post by gringal on Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:27 pm

Trailrunner wrote:None that I recall, LOL, but then I'm old too.  Very Happy 

Yes, RVG!

RVG: YOU GOT IT.
I'm old, but I remember Trump saying it was too soon to discuss gun issues. Shocked

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Post by mattoleriver on Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:40 pm

Lady Otter Latté wrote:I am old and my memory is not so good. What policy changes did Trump and his gestapo scream for after the Las Vegas mass shooting where a white guy killed 50 people and wounded 500 or so? Anyone?
Oh, please, it's too soon!
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Post by brigitte on Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:35 pm

yes but 8 get killed and all of a sudden he has to change the immigration policy..interesting no? The immigrants do not vote but the cranky and crazy white guys do...

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