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Post by barbicheesecake Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:31 pm

I apologize in advance because I know this issue has been addressed on this board before. However, I can not find it.

What is the appropriate Christmas bonus for gardeners, trash collectors and the people that supply your propane gas?

Thanks so much!
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Post by JayBear Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:46 pm

This is the info source I have used for years:

http://rollybrook.com/employee-pay.htm

This applies to people who work for you directly such as maids and gardeners. This does not apply to the trash guys and the propane guys; that is, you are not required to pay them anything extra.

As to what you give your helpers for gifts, that is up to you.

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Post by CanuckBob Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:20 am

I give my maid and gardener 3 weeks pay. I give the trash guys $200 pesos. I give my pool guy $200 pesos. I don't give the propane guys or water guys anything as I tip them with each delivery throughout the year.

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Post by Cincy Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:46 pm

Looking through rollybrook's webpage it looks like, in addition to the Christmas bonus, there is at least 6 days vacation pay at 25% above the regular hourly rate (if no vacation has been taken during the year).

For the maid, CanuckBob's 3 weeks pay is just about the exact amount I was going to give her after spending ages going through the formulas...!!!

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Post by CanuckBob Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:51 pm

Jaja.....yeah its easier to just think "3 weeks" versus using the formula which is near identical at the end. If we have a good rental year I give them 4 weeks.......

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Post by RVGRINGO Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:59 pm

Please remember that the Aguinaldo must be paid by 19 December.
Before 20 December, for sure, as was in the Mexican news today.

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Post by Trailrunner Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:13 pm

I do what Bob does too. ezpz
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Post by DaveP Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:53 am

If one reads Rolly's explanation and the applicable legal requirements you will arrive at a figure of 2.14 x the weekly wage. That is a figure I have used for the past 8 years and employees always seem satisfied with this amount.
Thus: 2 days per week at 200 pesos = 400 x 2.14 = 856 pesos. Round it to 860 pesos or even 900 pesos and they will be really happy. Round that to 3x their weekly wage (1200 pesos) and that just tells all of them that gringos and canucks have money to throw away.
That is the thinking that has increased restaurant prices out of proportion to costs in the last year. Prices have increased based on ability to pay not cost of supplies.
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Post by David Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:13 am

Once was enough. I doubt your hypothesis on restaurant pricing. Aguinaldo of more than 2.5 weeks pay is simply showing appreciation for their good work.
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Post by ferret Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:37 am

This is really easy to do since it is based on a daily wage. And that "daily" wage is based on a seven day week. It doesn't matter if your help comes once a week or six days a week... simply take whatever they earn per week and divide by 7 to get the daily wage.
Aguinaldo is 15 x the daily wage. Period.
Vacation pay varies by the length of time that they have worked for you... but again what is due is X number of days vacation x the daily wage. If vacation was not taken through the year then it is paid at the same time as the Aguinaldo but with a 25% increase.
These two things are SEPARATE and should be paid for SEPARATELY and signed and dated to show which is being paid and the amount.
You can give anything you want to your help to show your appreciation but please do these "legal obligations" separately. This paperwork becomes important when and/or if a Finiquito is required.
I also hope that you are having your help sign for their weekly pay... which should also show the date and amount.
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Post by Gamina Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:21 pm

DaveP wrote:
That is the thinking that has increased restaurant prices out of proportion to costs in the last year. Prices have increased based on ability to pay not cost of supplies.

Have you priced food at a grocery store lately? Obviously not. The decrease in the value of the peso is really hurting Mexico and inflation is over 6% as calculated last week. And because one can't trust the govt. figures, I would guess inflation is even higher. Since NAFTA, Mexico has to import much of it's corn and other commodities that drive up costs. Perhaps you need to rethink your position.
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Post by Flamingo Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:35 pm

If I only paid my maid, who has been with us 3 years, 3 weeks Aguinaldo and vacation, she would come out 260 pesos short. Not much for me but a lot for her.
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Post by ferret Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:51 pm

Flamingo wrote:If I only paid my maid, who has been with us 3 years, 3 weeks Aguinaldo  and vacation, she would come out 260 pesos short. Not much for me but a lot for her.

I'm sorry Flamingo but I totally do not understand this post.
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Post by Gamina Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:25 pm

Aguinaldo doesn't change year to year unless their base salary changes. Vacation pay changes every year until about 5 years when it stays the same for a few years then changes again. So I'm confused what your comment means.
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Post by Flamingo Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:38 pm

When I use the formula given by Rolybrook, she gets 1160 pesos. If I give her 3 weeks pay, she gets only 900 pesos. Sorry I wasn't more clear.
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Post by Gamina Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:19 am

Rollybrook's formula is correct.
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