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Post by Canada_Mike on Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:17 pm

Hi, I'm thinking about buying a diesel car, a Nissan X-Trail. I've never owned diesel. Are there any things I should take into consideration?
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Post by lakeside7 on Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:32 pm

The quality of diesel fuel is very important....unless you are driving high mileage I do not think you will recoup your extra outlay....most vehicles are that bit more noisy...filling up can be "stinky" experience....lastly why do you think you want a diesel? thinking or hauling a boat or trailer??...service cost can be very high if you have a problem with the pump or injectors.

I have just noticed you are from Toronto..the serve cold could give you starting problems

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Post by CanuckBob on Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:38 am

Yep, I agree with lakeside7. Also diesel is not as readily available throughout Mexico as it is up north. I understand the diesel available here is very dirty.

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Post by Canada_Mike on Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:31 am

Thanks.
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Post by rvanparys on Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:28 am

Having had a Mercedes diesel in the past, I can say that clean fuel is not only important but critical... The cost of replacing injectors or pump problems can be prohibitive... My dos centavos.

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Post by RVGRINGO on Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:09 am

Having had diesel boats, cars, SUVs and motorhomes, I simply made it a habit to add a water seperator, and extra Racor Fuel Filter to the system. Never had a problem. All pilots know to check the airplane's water separator before each flight, and those are generally gasoline engines. In flying or sailing, mistakes or equipment failures are generally fatal. I did my best to avoid them.

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Post by lakeside7 on Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:49 pm

RVGRINGO wrote:Having had diesel boats, cars, SUVs and motorhomes, I simply made it a habit to add a water seperator, and extra Racor Fuel Filter to the system. Never had a problem. All pilots know to check the airplane's water separator before each flight, and those are generally gasoline engines. In flying or sailing, mistakes or equipment failures are generally fatal. I did my best to avoid them.

Why have the complication that comes with a Diesel.... unless you have a special needs?? are you seriously suggesting that drivers check the water separator before each journey!!
Compared to the top line GM or Ford models, the Mercedes is a very expensive status rattle trap.... and when it comes to filling up at truck stops, you have to have a pair of plastic gloves and extra strength to handle the very large pump nozzles..ugh stinky things

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Post by CanuckBob on Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:36 am

Yeah I think I would go electric before I would go diesel.

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Post by Trailrunner on Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:50 am

Yes! I vote you get electric before diesel too!
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Post by Jreboll on Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:41 am

Umteen years ago my neighbor bought a brand new Chevrolet diesel sedan.  He had problems from the get-go, one after the other.  Dealer could never fix it right.  Finally he just got rid of it.  He said, “never again”.

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Post by RVGRINGO on Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:50 am

It was GM diesels that ruined the market in the USA. They really screwed up!  On the other hand, VW and Cummins diesels were extremely reliable and economical on fuel; perfect for long trips, especially in the motorhome, which had a 1000 mile maximum range on on fill-up. By the way, there is no need to use messy truck stops. Auto stations have diesel pumps with small nozzles, which are perfectly clean. Look for the green pumps. Admitedly, up front cost for a diesel is more, but over time, they are more economical, by far. Why do you suppose commercial trucks are almost exclusively diesel? They clock up a million miles very quickly. Yes, diesel engines last a lot longer, too.
But, now that I can no longer drive, I will just go ride my electric trike. I don't even have to pedal the thing!

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Post by RVGRINGO on Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:18 am

Yes, there is that problem with older diesels. New ones, however, use DEF systems to reduce the problem.

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Post by Canada_Mike on Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:32 am

As it turns out, the car is not diesel. Just the north models are. Interesting discussion anyway.
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Post by WillieRae on Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:50 am

Have been thinking about purchasing a Peugeot Teepee model but they are all now diesel...so after reading all this, I'm having 2nd thoughts. Any input?

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Post by helohfe on Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:49 pm

Doesn't Peugeot translate to "Prepare to Push it" in English..LOL

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Post by RVGRINGO on Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:55 pm

It is a choice between 50mpg or 30mpg vs the amount of driving you will do with that car. You will have to do the $ math.

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Post by WillieRae on Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:25 pm

Well our current car is a bit over 2 yrs old and has just under 6000 km on it.

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Post by Kiri on Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:08 pm

Nissan March is rated at 59 mpg hwy. I get approximately 47 mpg locally.
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Post by lakeside7 on Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:36 pm

RVGRINGO wrote:It was GM diesels that ruined the market in the USA. They really screwed up!  On the other hand, VW and Cummins diesels were extremely reliable and economical on fuel; perfect for long trips, especially in the motorhome, which had a 1000 mile maximum range on on fill-up. By the way, there is no need to use messy truck stops. Auto stations have diesel pumps with small nozzles, which are perfectly clean. Look for the green pumps. Admitedly, up front cost for a diesel is more, but over time, they are more economical, by far. Why do you suppose commercial trucks are almost exclusively diesel? They clock up a million miles very quickly. Yes, diesel engines last a lot longer, too.
But, now that I can no longer drive, I will just go ride my electric trike. I don't even have to pedal the thing!

You are comparing apples and oranges when you mention VW and Cummins.....you have a short memory if you have forgotten the cheating done by VW to met the US emission standards and now the ongoing questionable exhaust from any diesel car...most of the US built cars before all the emissions stuff, got over a million miles, the bodies would rust before the engine packed up and much of the advantage was based on the price of fuel

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Post by brigitte on Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:07 pm

We had a peugeot diesel, that was a true lemon..

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Post by MexicoPete on Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:08 am

Dad had a Mercedes turbo diesel, purchased new in the 70s. It was a fine car and kept on run and running and with great acceleration once the RPM was up.

Although I couldn't afford one, that was a great choice for Dad.
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Post by WillieRae on Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:27 am

Brigette, was that a recent model?

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Post by RVGRINGO on Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:08 am

My VW diesels were all in the 1980s, and my Kubota marine diesel experience was even earlier. In the late 90s, we had a motorhome with a Freightliner chassis and Cummins diesel. Yes, lots of assortment, but all were very dependable and economical for their purposes.
I am aware of the current changes in both diesel technology, and the pollution concerns causing those improvements. No argument there. It is the owner's application and use of his vehicle that should dictate his choice. If he is a typical commuter, he will choose something quite different than one who needs torque, power, and longevity coupled with long engine life and fuel economy.

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Post by brigitte on Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:13 am

It was when I bought it..There are plenty of good peugeot in Europe but why would you get one in Mexico where you will have few dealers ... then I bet you the parts cost you plenty and then ou will have to wait to get them. I have a Mazda and there is only a dealer in Tuxtla and when a bus ran into me I had to wait a month to get the parts
In France diesel was popular because diesel was cheaper , and the engine lasted longer. Diesel here is more than regular.
At least Nissan is very popular here so that will not be a problem.

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