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Post by CanuckBob on Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:54 am

It's all over the news. When will they learn? I guess another round of "thoughts and prayers" will solve it.

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Post by Trailrunner on Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:09 pm

Santa Clarita, LA, not Santa Clara, SFBA.

Yes. It will never end. I do not know how people with kids in schools in the US cope with this constant threat.
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Post by kiko on Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:02 pm

Target has bullet proof backpacks with a charging bank for cell phones only $189.95. Shocked

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Post by Bearded Beemer on Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:43 pm

Thoughts and prayers until it happens again, which we all know it will.
But hey, at least you are free to exercise your second amendment rights.
Americas policies on gun control are as antiquated as our political system.
This from a retired hunting guide that lives in Alaska.
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Post by CanuckBob on Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:13 pm

Did you need an AR15 on any of your hunts?

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Post by Bearded Beemer on Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:19 pm

Hard to believe, but no, I never needed an AR-15 in a lifetime of hunting for meat and 20 years as a guide. I actually did most of my personal hunting with a single shot rifle, but I dont tell anyone for fear they will think I am un-american.
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Post by espíritu del lago on Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:58 am

Why do so many happen in California? Makes you wonder..
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Post by Lady Otter Latté on Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:02 am

espíritu del lago wrote:Why do so many happen in California? Makes you wonder..

They happen all over the U.S. Have not noticed more in California than other places.
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Post by ComputerGuy on Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:04 am

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Post by ComputerGuy on Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:05 am

Lady Otter Latté wrote:
espíritu del lago wrote:Why do so many happen in California? Makes you wonder..

They happen all over the U.S. Have not noticed more in California than other places.

I heard on NPR yesterday that there are more school shootings there than school fires, and since they do fire drills regularly, why not shooting drills?
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Post by ferret on Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:29 am

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Post by Lady Otter Latté on Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:22 am

ComputerGuy wrote:
Lady Otter Latté wrote:
espíritu del lago wrote:Why do so many happen in California? Makes you wonder..

They happen all over the U.S. Have not noticed more in California than other places.

I heard on NPR yesterday that there are more school shootings there than school fires, and since they do fire drills regularly, why not shooting drills?

My daughter teaches first graders in California. She explained to me the trauma she and her students live with because of the unannounced active shooter drills. First graders who freeze every single time the loud speaker squawks just before the principal speaks because they do not know if this is a routine announcement, a drill, or someone is in their school intent on killing them. First graders. My daughter. She said teachers have the responsibility of deciding to try to get their kids out or hide them. Which is less likely to get them all killed? But, now they added a third option: fight. She can decide that she and her first graders should fight. “Hide, flee, fight?” Which should she choose for herself and the 26 little lives in her hands?
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Post by gringal on Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:25 am

How on earth can first graders "FIGHT"?

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Post by Lady Otter Latté on Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:34 am

gringal wrote:How on earth can first graders "FIGHT"?

That is up to the teacher to figure out. My daughter has six more years until she can retire with a pension. She is not sure she can do it that much longer. And, she loves teaching.
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Post by ferret on Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:36 am

More to the point, why should first graders have to make ANY of the choices. "Hide, flee, fight"? How about playing, laughing and learning?
I loved school but I can see that shifting for those in school now. What a terrible state of affairs to live with on a daily basis.
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Post by Lady Otter Latté on Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:25 pm

ferret wrote:More to the point, why should first graders have to make ANY of the choices. "Hide, flee, fight"? How about playing, laughing and learning?
I loved school but I can see that shifting for those in school now. What a terrible state of affairs to live with on a daily basis.

Yes. It is. The U.S. has a systemic crisis with more guns than people and too many people of all ages who think violence is the answer to problems because their government believes that.
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Post by Bearded Beemer on Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:32 pm

Americas gun laws (or lack thereof)are driven by money and greed, pure and simple. Those in power dont give a rats ass in saving lives if it comes at the expense of political contributions.
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Post by ComputerGuy on Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:14 pm

First of all, there should be no surprise shooter drills. You only do surprise tests when everyone already knows the subject. And seriously, this isn't a normal "test". This is a trauma-driven situation that needs to be very, very carefully considered.

Secondly, "fight"?! Really? No, no teacher should be allowed that option. Ever. I don't care what age the kids are.
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Post by CHILLIN on Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:25 pm

What with the youth fiercly embracing climate change, and now so activated about gun control, I am surprised there is not a mini revolution happening. As the anarchists used to say "eat the rich", the millenials and younger should chanting "OK, Boomers, fix this or we will do it for you (for us) and it won't be pretty".


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Post by ComputerGuy on Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:29 pm

It's coming...
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Post by CanuckBob on Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:58 pm

Yep, it is coming. Just not sure if it will be before or after the next US civil war.

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Post by espíritu del lago on Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:00 pm

Anyone know the shooters motive?
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Post by brigitte on Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:56 pm

he is 16 , he does not need a motive.. Hopefully he will die..the rest of his life in jail is a long long tome to pay for some screw ball to be locked up.. What a sad situation, If he did not have access to gun he would not have shot other kids.. Ok guns , do not kill but you could fool me...

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Post by MexicoPete on Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:15 pm

He died, per the ABC evening news.
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Post by brigitte on Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:15 pm

that is a consolation, less one nut to lock up but how sad for his parents...
Sorry but if he had not been able to get a gun he would not have killed the other children or himself.. When are the US going to wake up??

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