Does Price Equal Satisfaction?

The question is does price equal satisfaction?

Throughout my numerous years of following Mexico forums, I have gathered the impression that many people equate or justify their satisfaction with a product or service on price alone. I am curious where this habit comes from? Now I can accept the fact that some made the decision to move to Mexico based on one factor alone – cost. Of those who may have made such a decision, their financial position may have made it their only choice? I have also noticed those who apparently have adequate funding who still live life on the cheap and it is almost like an obsession with them. I would guess that there are those who enjoy rubbing their “brilliant decisions” in the face of their former friends NOB.

Back to my original premise, I am sure we have all seen royal “pizzing matches” where people throw in others' faces that they paid so much less for a product or service. From my observations, these contests are rarely about apples to apples but more about apples to oranges. Does paying the lowest price apply to:
1) A heart doctor
2) A cancer specialist
3) A dentist
4) A contractor building a home or remodeling
5) A plumber
6) An electrician
7) A mechanic
8) Insurance
9) An exterminator
10) A pool guy
11) A butcher
12) A restaurant meal
13) A glass of wine
14) Etc.

Now for a bit of controversy. It is my feeling that many are so hung up on the cost of things that they have no clue what the Country of Mexico has to offer for those who even care! Certainly the tone of my post leaves it up to everyone's interpretation but I would really like to see this evolve into a civil discourse on the topic.

Interesting. What I have found is that some people overpay for goods and services on the theory that "you get what you pay for."
Without going into the specifics above: There is a contractor who first worked on our massive remodel and claimed he was the best, and therefore worth more. He ran big ads on a regular basis. In fact, he was a money sink. The next contractor bid more modestly. He and his crew did a superlative job.
So.......maybe you don't get what you pay for: sometimes, you get less.
I'm much more interested in value than in price, whether it's a contractor or a restaurant.

I agree with gringal. All too often I see recommendations for tal y fulano on the basis that they're charging what might be a lowish price NOB. Life doesn't work that way here. Big ads are a red flag to me.

Excellent topic btw.

Some truly extraordinary talent can be found with a bit of looking around.
One of the prerequisites is being known as a fair person to deal with. Another is personal recommendations from Mexican friends.

Our, also massive remodel, was accomplished on very little cash outlay comparatively speaking. My husband did a lot of it, and we made some mistakes. First was dealing with only english speaking tradespeople. Not a good move. You're going to pay a price, not necessarily commensurate with service.

In the last X years we learned a few lessons, which are true for everywhere in the world.

1. Know your prices.
2. Deal with people fairly. Treat them badly, they will remember, and pass that info on. It' a small world.
3. Manage your own crew.
4. Find interesting alternatives. Mexicans are truly ingenious.
5. If you don't know, look it up on the internet. Nobody has the scoop on every subject.
6. Get a few opinions.
7. Find trusted advisors who aren't in it for the money.

That's all folks, at least for the moment.

I watched a woman wearing a very very expensive watch, jewelry, and clothing
arguing at the market over 2 pesos. Not 2 pesos / kilo but two pesos. I have
seen all kinds of cheapness from people. Some I understand. If I was living on
$1400/mo I would be very tight but others are just cheap. They say that is how
they got the money in the first place. Sometimes peoples cheapness makes me
leave lines because I am embarrased at the behavior and I am not what you call
a shy person.

As someone already said value is the key. Sometimes I do over pay for no reason
other than I like the person and they need it. If I give my maid a pair of my wife
shoes am I overpaying her??

Funny thing if I speak spanish at the market I get a better price than if I speak
English. I proved it by asking for something in English being charged 10% more
than the previous customer who spoke spanish. I complained gently in spanish
saying I could go elsewhere. He than gave me the better price. I don't resent it
at all. The vendor gave that famous mexican smile when they get caught. It
reminds me of a little boy who gets his hand in the cookie jar. How can I get mad
about things when he looks at me like that. I guess I am a softee beneath the
crusty facade like many of us.

Z

Excuse me back to my Rosetta Stone :-) :-)

You don't always get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get.

What we have learned over these few years is hire someone to do small jobs and see how they work. Get to learn their work ethic, on time, clean up when they’re done, call if they can’t make etc. Then if you like what you see move on to bigger jobs. Yes this is time consuming but I really didn’t see any other way. (Even went to other properties to see their work but they forgot mentioned that a year from now it will look like sh!t.) In the beginning we were screwed over by both Gringo & Mexican advice.

On the issue of pay I’ve also notice that some people, by their actions, must believe they will be able to take it with them when they depart. On the other hand there are those that really need to watch their money closely. I suppose what bothers me the most is those that try to discourage others from paying what others feel they can afford. I mean the amounts we’re paying for services here compared to where I’m from is almost nothing. Another issue that bothers me is those that have many creature comforts but still can only find a pittance for those that provide these comforts, not necessities but comforts. If you’ve got a bad back certain things become a necessity, if one has lots of frivolous stuff, well maybe they ought to rethink their priorities. IMHO

P.S. And CG you thought you could make "Sh!t happen".

(quote parker)

I suppose what bothers me the most is those that try to discourage others from paying what others feel they can afford. I mean the amounts we’re paying for services here compared to where I’m from is almost nothing. Another issue that bothers me is those that have many creature comforts but still can only find a pittance for those that provide these comforts, not necessities but comforts. If you’ve got a bad back certain things become a necessity, if one has lots of frivolous stuff, well maybe they ought to rethink their priorities. IMHO

(End quote)

Parker, this is just my opinion, feel free to disagree.

1. We are not NOB. Paying NOB rates disrupts the local economy and leads to problems not only for gringos but also for mexicans who then wind up having to pay more than they can afford as well.

2. Paying a whole lot more than the going rate for construction jobs, leads to the very same perpetrators scamming some other victim. Trust me I've been here for years, and seen it happen time and time again. Meanwhile, good honest workers who really need the work get overlooked, usually because the homeowner either knows nothing about construction, or does not speak Spanish, or both.

Our policy on pay rates is this. If you have a good worker who you don't want to lose, pay on the high end of the local rates. Give them holiday pay and aguinaldo to the max. Time off with pay when you're away. Gifts, etc. But don't start a bidding war over the hourly rate for household help, it doesn't benefit anyone. least of all the worker who then has unrealistic expectations. Local rates in my area are 35 to 50 pesos an hour, period. Start at 35 and move up as the worker proves themselves to be honest and trustworthy.

Construction workers. If you know them, and they have done a good job for you and others in the past, pay them what they are asking for and don't haggle. If over time they start asking for unreasonable amounts let them know you're not about to pay gringo prices.

Gringo and Mexican advice. I'm talking about personal friends here. If I need somebody, I pick up the phone and get word out through the grapevine. A friend will usually recommend two or three candidates. If you are well known in the area as a good employer you'll get good employees. So, even if things go south with a particular employee you will not likely have any further problems from them because their friends and family will tell them, look, you had a good job, and you messed up.

The gardener who we recently fired was offered a job at 1200 pesos a week, by a friend of mine, and turned it down. Why? Lazy good for nothing kid with an attitude and a lot of electronic toys.

I get my beard trimmed at the most expensive Barber shop in Ajijic. They charge
50P for a hair cut while nearby other shops charge 40P. The guy spends a good
half hour on cleaning my sorry beard up style wise. He uses a straight razor and
really does the best job I have ever had done on my beard. I have paid $50USD
up north and this guys job is better. I give him a 5P tip so I pay 55P total to him.
I like him and he does a superior job.

Now am I overpaying him considering he lives in Ajijic and pays the tourist
tax just like the rest of us?? I can afford 55P every 2 weeks to make my
wife happy and not look so unkept shall we say :-)

Zedinmexico wrote:I get my beard trimmed at the most expensive Barber shop in Ajijic. They charge
50P for a hair cut while nearby other shops charge 40P. The guy spends a good
half hour on cleaning my sorry beard up style wise. He uses a straight razor and
really does the best job I have ever had done on my beard. I have paid $50USD
up north and this guys job is better. I give him a 5P tip so I pay 55P total to him.
I like him and he does a superior job.

Now am I overpaying him considering he lives in Ajijic and pays the tourist
tax just like the rest of us?? I can afford 55P every 2 weeks to make my
wife happy and not look so unkept shall we say :-)

And the point here Zed is?

If I go to a good restaurant that I like and pay higher than the taco stand, am I overpaying? Obviously not.

Hairdressers, I pay close to 50% of what I would pay NOB, am I overpaying? Not in my opinion. I get as good or better work done here.

Same goes for anything. Local rates for special services may vary widely. It's up to the customer what they choose to pay for something.

Raqueteer I am just trying to understand this whole thing about paying people
down here. I have been insulated in the past by my rental company which makes
everything easy and the ethics/moral decisions on pay are not mine but now I
make these decisions. I have no idea if I am overpaying for a excellent beard cut.
I wouldn't have people working for me at all except for the concept that we are
suppose to hire people and spin some bucks around. Having people clean my
toilet for example is just something while nice I do feel guilty especially at $3.50
/hour USD. So am I overpaying my maid? I have no idea?

Clueless Zed

Zedinmexico wrote:I get my beard trimmed at the most expensive Barber shop in Ajijic. They charge
50P for a hair cut while nearby other shops charge 40P. The guy spends a good
half hour on cleaning my sorry beard up style wise. He uses a straight razor and
really does the best job I have ever had done on my beard. I have paid $50USD
up north and this guys job is better. I give him a 5P tip so I pay 55P total to him.
I like him and he does a superior job.

Now am I overpaying him considering he lives in Ajijic and pays the tourist
tax just like the rest of us?? I can afford 55P every 2 weeks to make my
wife happy and not look so unkept shall we say :-)

Zed - Most hair salons here charge between $ 80 - $ 150. pesos to cut a mans hair. Yoly's is $ 80. pesos. She was $ 70. p for about 7 years and finally raised it. Been going to her for over 10 years.

raqueteer wrote:(quote parker)

I suppose what bothers me the most is those that try to discourage others from paying what others feel they can afford. I mean the amounts we’re paying for services here compared to where I’m from is almost nothing. Another issue that bothers me is those that have many creature comforts but still can only find a pittance for those that provide these comforts, not necessities but comforts. If you’ve got a bad back certain things become a necessity, if one has lots of frivolous stuff, well maybe they ought to rethink their priorities. IMHO

(End quote)

Parker, this is just my opinion, feel free to disagree.

1. We are not NOB. Paying NOB rates disrupts the local economy and leads to problems not only for gringos but also for mexicans who then wind up having to pay more than they can afford as well.

2. Paying a whole lot more than the going rate for construction jobs, leads to the very same perpetrators scamming some other victim. Trust me I've been here for years, and seen it happen time and time again. Meanwhile, good honest workers who really need the work get overlooked, usually because the homeowner either knows nothing about construction, or does not speak Spanish, or both.

Our policy on pay rates is this. If you have a good worker who you don't want to lose, pay on the high end of the local rates. Give them holiday pay and aguinaldo to the max. Time off with pay when you're away. Gifts, etc. But don't start a bidding war over the hourly rate for household help, it doesn't benefit anyone. least of all the worker who then has unrealistic expectations. Local rates in my area are 35 to 50 pesos an hour, period. Start at 35 and move up as the worker proves themselves to be honest and trustworthy.

Construction workers. If you know them, and they have done a good job for you and others in the past, pay them what they are asking for and don't haggle. If over time they start asking for unreasonable amounts let them know you're not about to pay gringo prices.

Gringo and Mexican advice. I'm talking about personal friends here. If I need somebody, I pick up the phone and get word out through the grapevine. A friend will usually recommend two or three candidates. If you are well known in the area as a good employer you'll get good employees. So, even if things go south with a particular employee you will not likely have any further problems from them because their friends and family will tell them, look, you had a good job, and you messed up.

The gardener who we recently fired was offered a job at 1200 pesos a week, by a friend of mine, and turned it down. Why? Lazy good for nothing kid with an attitude and a lot of electronic toys.

Re: Does Price Equal Satisfaction?
by raqueteer Today at 11:41 am
(quote parker)

I suppose what bothers me the most is those that try to discourage others from paying what others feel they can afford. I mean the amounts we’re paying for services here compared to where I’m from is almost nothing. Another issue that bothers me is those that have many creature comforts but still can only find a pittance for those that provide these comforts, not necessities but comforts. If you’ve got a bad back certain things become a necessity, if one has lots of frivolous stuff, well maybe they ought to rethink their priorities. IMHO

(End quote)

First of all when you “quote” someone don’t take it out of context, the full message is necessary for totally understanding, that’s why when you quote the total response one leaves the nuances in the message.

Parker, this is just my opinion, feel free to disagree. (O.K.)

1. We are not NOB. Paying NOB rates disrupts the local economy and leads to problems not only for gringos but also for mexicans who then wind up having to pay more than they can afford as well.
No we’re not and there is no one that would say we are paying NOB prices. And if wealthy Mexicans have to pay a bit more for their slaves do you think I really care?

2. Paying a whole lot more than the going rate for construction jobs, leads to the very same perpetrators scamming some other victim. Trust me I've been here for years, and seen it happen time and time again. Meanwhile, good honest workers who really need the work get overlooked, usually because the homeowner either knows nothing about construction, or does not speak Spanish, or both.

Apparently you didn’t read my solution to this issue. We’re on our own here, take responsibility.

Our policy on pay rates is this. If you have a good worker who you don't want to lose, pay on the high end of the local rates. Give them holiday pay and aguinaldo to the max. Time off with pay when you're away. Gifts, etc. But don't start a bidding war over the hourly rate for household help, it doesn't benefit anyone. least of all the worker who then has unrealistic expectations. Local rates in my area are 35 to 50 pesos an hour, period. Start at 35 and move up as the worker proves themselves to be honest and trustworthy.

This is your opinion and can respect that (started at 40 peso but each year they’ve earned raises) but I would rather pay dollars, (money they have control of, not at the wims of their employer), than gifts this way I feel they will get what’s really needed than what I think they may need. From what I’ve been reading some think toys are more desirable than a roof over one head. I’ve been there and know from personal experience this is just not true.

Construction workers. If you know them, and they have done a good job for you and others in the past, pay them what they are asking for and don't haggle. If over time they start asking for unreasonable amounts let them know you're not about to pay gringo prices.

P.S. I am a Gringo, I don’t mind living with paying these pittances in this area where many speak my language, for my convenience, in my period of transition. When able, hopefully I’ll be able to move more into Mexico and probably pay less.

Gringo and Mexican advice. I'm talking about personal friends here. If I need somebody, I pick up the phone and get word out through the grapevine. A friend will usually recommend two or three candidates. If you are well known in the area as a good employer you'll get good employees. So, even if things go south with a particular employee you will not likely have any further problems from them because their friends and family will tell them, look, you had a good job, and you messed up.

This I totally agree but this takes time which is something we have now achieved.

The gardener who we recently fired was offered a job at 1200 pesos a week, by a friend of mine, and turned it down. Why? Lazy good for nothing kid with an attitude and a lot of electronic toys.

I believe this is not just an issue to Mexico? IMHO

Well Parker, let's have a look at this more closely.

O.K. quote full text, not just the part you disagree with. My mistake.

NOB rates for some contracting jobs, oh yes some people are, maybe not you, however we have seen this many times. What's worse, is that some of these contracting jobs are so bad that as you state they look like crap within a year. So even if you got a fair rate, doing it over and over is not a money saver in the long haul.

We agree on the solution to the problem of contractors.

Maids, and other household help, I did not in any way imply that we should be paying a pittance and make it up with gifts. If you reread this, you will see that I advised paying on the high end of the pay scale for your area, AND add gifts plus a very healthy Christmas (cash) bonus, as in our case. Both of our workers get a full months pay over and above gifts. I do not consider our workers to be slaves, and they are not treated as such in our household. This is why we have no problem getting new help in the unfortunate event that one of them messes us about.

We agree on the Mexican friends bit, yes it takes time and also some fluency in the language department. That is something which I spent a great deal of time on, not just to get a better deal BTW but in order to understand the culture better, and to be able to have lengthy in depth discussions with Mexican friends. It's also in my opinion a matter of courtesy when living in a foreign country to at least attempt to learn the language.

Finally yes, lazy good for nothing kids are an epidemic world wide. No question about that.

I hope we covered everything.

@Zed, in Ajijic rates are higher. Check with the locals.

raqueteer wrote:Well Parker, let's have a look at this more closely.

O.K. quote full text, not just the part you disagree with. My mistake.

NOB rates for some contracting jobs, oh yes some people are, maybe not you, however we have seen this many times. What's worse, is that some of these contracting jobs are so bad that as you state they look like crap within a year. So even if you got a fair rate, doing it over and over is not a money saver in the long haul.

We agree on the solution to the problem of contractors.

Maids, and other household help, I did not in any way imply that we should be paying a pittance and make it up with gifts. If you reread this, you will see that I advised paying on the high end of the pay scale for your area, AND add gifts plus a very healthy Christmas (cash) bonus, as in our case. Both of our workers get a full months pay over and above gifts. I do not consider our workers to be slaves, and they are not treated as such in our household. This is why we have no problem getting new help in the unfortunate event that one of them messes us about.

We agree on the Mexican friends bit, yes it takes time and also some fluency in the language department. That is something which I spent a great deal of time on, not just to get a better deal BTW but in order to understand the culture better, and to be able to have lengthy in depth discussions with Mexican friends. It's also in my opinion a matter of courtesy when living in a foreign country to at least attempt to learn the language.

Finally yes, lazy good for nothing kids are an epidemic world wide. No question about that.

I hope we covered everything.

@Zed, in Ajijic rates are higher. Check with the locals.

Sounds like we agree.

Yes we do. Is it time for cocktails yet? Ohhhhh dammit that 2 hour time difference is a real pain. 2 more hours to go. It sure feels like 6 to me.

Virtual cheers,

Cocktails are at 5:00 today.

Part of exactly what I was talking about in a deliberately vague way has come out in a number of the responses. Maybe I am the one who thinks in a twisted manner but every time I see someone make a direct comparison about what they paid in Mexico and what they would have paid NOB, I want to start slamming my head against the wall! To me, when one makes the decision to cross that border, then any price comparisons with NOB become null and void. The same goes for crime comparisons with NOB and many other things that could be compared.

How about taking a look at the housing market in the Lake area? During the "glory years" in real estate, people were running down there for a week or two with little or no knowledge of Mexico but they returned NOB owning a home in Mexico. It is the same mentality that the time share industry preyed on in resort areas all over the world. In many cases, the only basis these same people had for making a decision was a comparison of what similar housing would have cost NOB. What a perfect scenario for the real estate agents! I have to wonder just how this formula helped to escalate the RE prices in the area?

Now, lets take it down to something as basic as a cerveza. I can remember paying as little as $7 or $8MXN for a Corona in the early 2000's around the Lake. Now they have risen to $10 to $12MXN or even higher depending on the restaurant and location. For me, it is easy not to compare these prices to NOB because I only drink an occasional beer in MX and never NOB. However, when I was charged $80MXN for a Corona in San Miguel de Allende, I was livid because they were way out of line for Mexico!

I have read and personally seen way too many examples where someone has purchased a product (often inferior) and justified their acumen by stating that it would have cost 2 or 3 times that NOB but in reality, they may have spent 2 or 3 times what they should have spent in Mexico for a far superior product. For example, I recently read on a forum where someone was bragging that they were getting new kitchen cabinets for $4500CDN in a kitchen that would be considered small for a one bedroom apartment. Now the Lake area isn't known for an abundance of wood or many craftspeople that specialize in woodworking. As an alternative, this same person could have made a 4 to 5 hour road trip to Michoacan that happens to be known for an abundance of wood and some excellent woodworkers. I have seen cabinets in Michoacan that would knock your socks off at very reasonable prices. What the heck, this same person might have learned something more about Mexico too!

It takes time and experience to find the places that you're talking about Neil. It also takes physical well being to go see them. Even knowing and appreciating a good maid or gardener takes time. When someone's only experiences are NOB then they are bound to use that very limited comparison.

If I've been looking for a particular something for a very long time and I see it, then I buy it unless the price is absolutely ridiculous. I know, from experience in Mexico, that it won't be there if I wait.

There's an old saying about "those who know the price of everything and the value of nothing".... I think all of us have different priorities about what we spend our money on...and most of us get ticked when, as foreigners, we get charged more.

BTW, I'm looking (lakeside) for the candles made in Patzcuaro...the ones with the little gold logo on the side. And, no, I'm not going to Patzcuaro to buy them...and I'm willing to pay a premium for them because the 4" columns will burn for 25 hours and the wick goes all the way to the bottom and I'm tired of paying 50 pesos for the crappy ones in Walmart that only last 7 hours and melt into a disgusting puddle.

ferret wrote:It takes time and experience to find the places that you're talking about Neil. It also takes physical well being to go see them. Even knowing and appreciating a good maid or gardener takes time. When someone's only experiences are NOB then they are bound to use that very limited comparison.

If I've been looking for a particular something for a very long time and I see it, then I buy it unless the price is absolutely ridiculous. I know, from experience in Mexico, that it won't be there if I wait.

There's an old saying about "those who know the price of everything and the value of nothing".... I think all of us have different priorities about what we spend our money on...and most of us get ticked when, as foreigners, we get charged more.

BTW, I'm looking (lakeside) for the candles made in Patzcuaro...the ones with the little gold logo on the side. And, no, I'm not going to Patzcuaro to buy them...and I'm willing to pay a premium for them because the 4" columns will burn for 25 hours and the wick goes all the way to the bottom and I'm tired of paying 50 pesos for the crappy ones in Walmart that only last 7 hours and melt into a disgusting puddle.

Oh I love those, they're beeswax, and clean the air as well. Mine melted in the sun, so I'm looking too. I did see them in Tlaquepaque a few years back, but nothing lately. I don't, and will not pay 50 pesos for cheap candles. There are shops in Guadalajara which sell boxes of the spiral variety for very little, maybe 7 pesos each. They only last the night but what the heck, they're attractive.

CheenaGringo wrote:
For example, I recently read on a forum where someone was bragging that they were getting new kitchen cabinets for $4500CDN in a kitchen that would be considered small for a one bedroom apartment. Now the Lake area isn't known for an abundance of wood or many craftspeople that specialize in woodworking. As an alternative, this same person could have made a 4 to 5 hour road trip to Michoacan that happens to be known for an abundance of wood and some excellent woodworkers. I have seen cabinets in Michoacan that would knock your socks off at very reasonable prices. What the heck, this same person might have learned something more about Mexico too!

Yeah make a 10 hr round trip, hope you find what you want. Then the shop has to make a 10 hr round trip to measure. Then figure in shipping/delivery costs. Then who installs it? The shop that built it? Figure in those costs or if you pay a local to mess it up, figure in that cost. And what happens when it doesn't fit? Then you need a counter top. Then, then, then........

Compras barato, compras cada rato as they say in México.

I have to agree with the wood cabinets business. Local would be pretty essential. There are very few good cabinetmakers lakeside, however there are a few. My husband did our kitchen, it's his hobby, but mainly used MDF because it's more stable, and we wanted a painted finish. Wood expands and contracts too much unless it's kiln dried to less than 6% moisture level, not many do that here.

After his back gave out, one too many heavy kitchen doors, we did hire a local guy to do a wall unit. Massive thing, and it was pricey despite using MDF. He did a great job. It took weeks but came out exactly the way we wanted it.

After that he made two wooden doors with glass panels to fit in an archway, and even though the wood was not a major component it has already cracked. Not a lot, but enough to be irritating. It also expands during the rainy season, and shrinks in the dry season. So sometimes the doors shut just fine, other times not.

What wood species was used for the arch? Parota by chance?

Solo:
Your point is well taken. I guess I should have used an example that was closer but I got lazy.

Ferret & Raqueteer:

As recently as the end of August, I remember seeing the candles you are referring to in both Tlaquepaque and Tonala. I want to say that I saw them in two shops in Tlaquepaque - one in the same block with the Adobe on the same side and the other in the net block away from the main plaza, again on the same side of the street. Both of these shops have their candles located in rooms towards the rear of the stores and away from any chance of direct sunlight hitting them. In Tonala, I remember seeing them in a couple of the finer gallery type shops on either side of Tonaltecas. Again they are generally tuck back in a back corner away from the direct sunlight. Sometimes one has to request that they turn the lights on to see them properly. Here are a couple of links to Tonala suppliers with candles:
http://www.cristalerialosa.com/nueva/cats/velas.php
http://www.velasvotiva.com/b/ini/cata-new.php

Thanks Neil. I appreciate the links.

I was really hoping that you had a phone number for the place in Patzcuaro and I could phone them and place an order for delivery. Poor me.

We did a kitchen remodel several years ago and our Mexican contractor recommended a carpenter. He did a beautiful job, charged a reasonable price and as of now, no warping, cracking, or any other problem with them. He showed us samples of all the finishes. The room was not any kind of standard rectangle, so this was custom custom.
We had him return to remove the sad hollow core doors throughout the house and replace them with solid wood. Also a beautiful job.
The last information I have is:
Juan Carlos Zamora
cel: 331 357 5637
Venustiano Carranza #7
Ajijic, Jalisco 45920