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Post by brigitte on Wed May 29, 2019 6:49 pm

You have that one right : Many of the front lake properties belong to well off tapatios. it will be interesting to see what their position will be. Hopefully they will not want to be flooded and we will see if they use their influence or not. We are not on the lake but we are not that far from it so I am very interested in the subject. Very Happy

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Post by ferret on Wed May 29, 2019 7:03 pm

The lake levels since 1900...
https://www.ceajalisco.gob.mx/contenido/chapala/chapala/niveles.html

It's been higher. There are some older maps somewhere that show that the lake used to cover Jocotepic and around the mountain (the one with the Joco bypass) to where the cuota now is.
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Post by brigitte on Wed May 29, 2019 7:57 pm

No doubt about it.. Jocotepec was around in the 1800 though because I remember translating some pages of a diairy written by an Italian and the man was describing Jocotepec as an unterresting place where the only nice thing was the niece of the padre.. so there was a town there

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Post by Trailrunner on Wed May 29, 2019 9:59 pm

1524 Joco is old. Municipality in 1832. 

La conquista la hizo pacíficamente Alonso de Ávalos en 1524, siendo los fundadores de Xolotepec los naturales, ya bautizados, Graciano Concepción, Santiago Jacobo, Jorge Simeón, Luis Cupertino, Salvador Hesperito, Pedro Tadeo, Lorenzo Antonio, Lorenzo Sebastián, Bartolo Jacobo, Juan de los Reyes, Andrés Joseph, Pablo Roque y familias. Se desconoce el decreto que lo erigiera en municipio, aunque el del 12 de abril lo menciona como municipalidad. En 1825 tenía Ayuntamiento, y el 13 de marzo de 1832 adquiere el título de Villa.
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Post by slainte39 on Wed May 29, 2019 10:19 pm

ferret wrote:The lake levels since 1900...
https://www.ceajalisco.gob.mx/contenido/chapala/chapala/niveles.html

It's been higher. There are some older maps somewhere that show that the lake used to cover Jocotepic  and around the mountain (the one with the Joco bypass) to where the cuota now is.

Just check out when Jocotepec was founded…..must have been some really old maps.
Like cave man drawings on a wall somewhere….. lol!

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Post by ferret on Wed May 29, 2019 10:29 pm

Would you like it better if I said that the lake used to cover WHERE JOCOTEPEC NOW IS? Laguna Sayula was also probably part of it.

Look at this map from 1840 and you will see another section of the lake that is no longer there...
Lake Chapala - Extrapolated Lake Levels For 2019 Rainy Season - Page 2 Narvae10

Here's a current one...
Lake Chapala - Extrapolated Lake Levels For 2019 Rainy Season - Page 2 Datatx10

My point is that it will cross the lowest areas first if it continues to rise.
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Post by slainte39 on Thu May 30, 2019 12:18 am


You might be right at some ancient prehistoric time, I just questioned the map part as that is a more historic endeavor, and that pueblo has been there a long time.

45 years ago the lake was right up to the highway and bridge over the Lerma at La Barca, Jalisco and Las Briseñas, Michoacan , but not into Jocotepec.

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Post by CanuckBob on Thu May 30, 2019 7:40 am

That extra bit at the eastern end could have been very shallow swamp that was reclaimed with fill at some point. The rest looks pretty much the same. Ajijic has been here since 1534 (???) so it couldn't have been much higher here in the 1800's. The kitchen part of my house (which was probably the original structure) is built with adobe and my construction guy said it could be hundreds of years old as they haven't used adobe in quite some time.

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Post by gringal on Thu May 30, 2019 7:58 am

I've wondered why my ancient casa was built at considerable elevation from the street....but the answer is becoming increasingly clear.
lol!

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Post by CHILLIN on Thu May 30, 2019 2:53 pm

There was a land developer involved at some point in the early 1900's. He built a beautiful hacienda home, now almost destroyed, and through a series of dams, etc., fundamentally changed the size and shape of the Lake. This is all on John Pint's website, url is something about Saudi caves.
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Post by CHILLIN on Thu May 30, 2019 2:56 pm

gringal wrote:I've wondered why my ancient casa was built at considerable elevation from the street....but the answer is becoming increasingly clear.
lol!

Or the answer may becoming increasingly dark. We all know what flows better down hill!
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Post by slainte39 on Fri May 31, 2019 1:10 am

CanuckBob wrote:That extra bit at the eastern end could have been very shallow swamp that was reclaimed with fill at some point. The rest looks pretty much the same. Ajijic has been here since 1534 (???) so it couldn't have been much higher here in the 1800's. The kitchen part of my house (which was probably the original structure) is built with adobe and my construction guy said it could be hundreds of years old as they haven't used adobe in quite some time.

I was told years ago that the oldest structures in Ajijic were on 16 de septiembre on the block where you are and a block or two in each direction from your house

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Post by Trailrunner on Fri May 31, 2019 8:05 am

And I've been told the original ayuntamiento was that old weathered adobe building down at the bottom of the tianguis.
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Post by SunFan on Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:06 pm

If I'm reading the Lake Level chart correctly we're still 4 1/2 feet above the lake level at this time last year. Should be an interesting summer and fall.

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Post by CanuckBob on Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:13 am

I imagine a lot of this water will make its way to the Lerma river and then to us. They nay have to open the dams even earlier than July 1st.

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/leon-records-wettest-day-since-1961/?utm_source=Mexico+News+Today&utm_campaign=331e1661a4-MNT+june07-2019&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_f1536a3787-331e1661a4-349534941

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