Murder in Jocotepec

It's not about what they were told, it's about the manner in which it was reported.  As in the last 2 paragraphs of the article about a man who was murdered in the trailer park that was a thinly disguised commercial for the amenities of the trailer park.

Oh, and despite what reporters are told, GOOD ones are able to do some digging and come up with the real story and print that. GOOD reporters, that is.

Amen, Trailrunner. A reporter (a REAL reporter) does more than wander around with a tape recorder and listen to what people feel like saying. You do background and research, you prod and poke, you read, you talk and you listen. You ask questions of one person based on what you learned from someone else. You ask the same question in 10 different ways. You do not take what anyone says at face value. You use intelligence and common sense. It is called "working the story" for a reason.

Actually there are very few of those and if you have ever been interviewed , you know that. Just read afer an interview what the paper say you said and very often it is darn scary..

My son and I were victims of a crime almost 3 years ago in the U.S.
A reporter found me and my sister on separate occasions and we answered a few questions. The story he wrote contained information that was both accurate and inaccurate. He correctly reported the comments that he got directly from my sister and me, the police chief and a PD detective but he obviously got some of his information from the police report that was written by the police after hours and hours of questioning us.
This police report had a lot of inaccuracies, some were deliberate to cover up mistakes that the police had made when everything came down and arrests were made . Other inaccuracies in the police report seemed to result from either misunderstanding or misinterpretation of witness statements and what seemed to be some deliberate manipulation and rearranging of context aimed at strengthening the case. In other words, the inaccuracies in the newspaper story came from the police report.

It seems to me that most of the crime reporting here comes from the police and not so much from witnesses or investigative reporting. The angle from the Guadalajara reporter on the "Roca Azul " story was ...odd and clearly had an agenda beginning with the title. I also can't believe they got away with devoting two large paragraphs to the history, amenities and how to make a reservation at Roca Azul. Note that no individual took credit for the story.

To the bearded lady and the lady who otter know better.

So why do editors edit what reporters report and usually agree with the owners, and the owners try to keep the paying readers happy.

and do you watch live uncut reporting on American TV?

"The angle from the Guadalajara reporter on the "Roca Azul " story was ...odd and clearly had an agenda beginning with the title."

There were/are 2 reports/stories from the Guad" reporter
on this thread.

To tree:  With the exception of Breaking Bad and True Detective, I don't watch American TV.  And I read newspapers with a very wary eye due to the fact that I've had the same experiences as Brigitte.

When I was working in EMS with the Fire Department, every evening around dinner time the press would call looking for something juicy to print and we'd give them a rundown on the day's calls.  The next day while reading their report we would all look at each other and say "Were we on that call?"  

I still say, and agree with MT, it was a lousy article and you know which of the 2 articles we're talking about.  The reporter that was reported to have been there asking questions was Sean Godfrey.

I would love to respond but I am not sure what the Tree is disagreeing with me about.

Maybe the owner is friends with people from GR? That paper can't even get the correct imformation printing for the events section. What a waste of time.

Chapala crime...
"So lot of information coming forth. All different. The guadalajara reporter interviewed police etc and they did not report his arm as amputated."

"For a different perspective, folks at insidelakeside describe a body with an amputated arm: a clean cut - and I would guess a missing arm and they quote excellent sources. We are inclined to go with their version. Murder."

Has there been official facts published yet?

arbon wrote:Chapala crime...
"So lot of information coming forth. All different. The guadalajara reporter interviewed police etc and they did not report his arm as amputated."

"For a different perspective, folks at insidelakeside describe a body with an amputated arm: a clean cut - and I would guess a missing arm and they quote excellent sources. We are inclined to go with their version. Murder."

Has there been official facts published yet?

Seems like a detached arm would be pretty easy to spot.  Odd that some accounts miss this.

Arbon, In Mexico you can get away with murder. This death in Joco and just like the murders in La Floresta will just disappear from our conscience.

Ignoring death is endemic to our NOB society.

Playaboy wrote:Arbon, In Mexico you can get away with murder.  This death in Joco and just like the murders in La Floresta will just disappear from our conscience.

Do you think that it remains or stays with the conscience, any more or any less here, than it does any where, any city, any country, in the world. I think it depends on how close you were to the crime scene or how well you knew the victim/s. In the US, it seems school shootings/murders remains in the news/conscience longer than all the other murders, and rightfully so as it involves children. If one tried to consciously remember all the murders than happened within a hour's distance of where they were at a particular time, in a lifetime, one would have a very troubled existence. Of course, if you have lived,or live in, a very sparsely populated area, the dynamics change as far as your conscious thinking is involved... or like a murder in the Amish community in the US, or a political assasination such as JFK's....as far as remembering.
It is difficult to forget the murder of relatives or friends.

Playaboy wrote:Arbon, In Mexico you can get away with murder.  This death in Joco and just like the murders in La Floresta will just disappear from our conscience.

¿Who said any of those deaths were "murder"?

lunateak wrote:Ignoring death is endemic to *my* NOB society.  

There I fixed it for you.Eh

It didn't need fixing. You're attempt alludes to disassociation. Continue disassociating.

If you're going to use the quote function then use the quote... I did not write what you quoted me as saying.

lunateak wrote:

If you're going to use the quote function then use the quote... I did not write what you quoted me as saying.

Anyone who changes a persons post and then misquotes it like arbon did should get a timeout.

arbon wrote:

Playaboy wrote:Arbon, In Mexico you can get away with murder.  This death in Joco and just like the murders in La Floresta will just disappear from our conscience.

¿Who said any of those deaths were "murder"?

La Fiscalia General del Estado.

arbon wrote:

lunateak wrote:Ignoring death is endemic to *my* NOB society.  

There I fixed it for you.Eh

Arbon, 'fixing' or changing others quotes is not o.k.

oncesubtle wrote:

arbon wrote:

lunateak wrote:Ignoring death is endemic to *my* NOB society.  

There I fixed it for you.Eh

Arbon, 'fixing' or changing others quotes is not o.k.

Sounds a lot like what used to go on on El Prickito's old board. Was crappy then.....and still is.

oncesubtle wrote:

arbon wrote:

lunateak wrote:Ignoring death is endemic to *my* NOB society.  

There I fixed it for you.Eh

Arbon, 'fixing' or changing others quotes is not o.k.

Bob, the quote is still there for all to see...

"Ignoring death is endemic to our NOB society."

In the society that I belong to we do not ignore death, we have obituaries, and compulsory health care.

arbon wrote:

oncesubtle wrote:

arbon wrote:

lunateak wrote:Ignoring death is endemic to *my* NOB society.  

There I fixed it for you.Eh

Arbon, 'fixing' or changing others quotes is not o.k.

Bob, the quote is still there for all to see...

"Ignoring death is endemic to our NOB society."

In the society that I belong to we do not ignore death, we have obituaries, and compulsory health care.

If you make it another 20 years you can bear witness to 40% of the population running around with Dementia & Alzheimers... where is Dr Morgentaler when you need him...   

hockables wrote:

arbon wrote:

oncesubtle wrote:

arbon wrote:

lunateak wrote:Ignoring death is endemic to *my* NOB society.  

There I fixed it for you.Eh

Arbon, 'fixing' or changing others quotes is not o.k.

Bob, the quote is still there for all to see...

"Ignoring death is endemic to our NOB society."

In the society that I belong to we do not ignore death, we have obituaries, and compulsory health care.

If you make it another 20 years you can bear witness to 40% of the population running around with Dementia & Alzheimers... where is Dr Morgentaler when you need him...     

So you're saying longevity has a down side? Cynic!
BTW, I met your nephew a few days ago here in Saskatoon. I'm afraid I don't remember his name. Too much longevity, I guess.

hockables wrote:

If you make it another 20 years you can bear witness to 40% of the population running around with Dementia & Alzheimers... where is Dr Morgentaler when you need him...     [/quote]

Do you remember which one... Dementia & Alzheimer's or both?

I just find it a little odd that there are 25 pages of posts regarding the La Floresta murders and only 10 pages (less the BS) on the Joco murder.

I guess if you are protecting a dog and get killed there is outrage. If you drink a lot of booze (the pastime of a lot retired people Lakeside) and live in a trailer, you somehow had it coming.

The difference in peoples reactions to the 2 incidents is amazing to me.