Murder in Jocotepec

In medical terms "dislocado" would apply to a joint not an entire extremity.
Desprendido definitely means it was detached from the body. Ick.

Ricardo, thank for once again providing an excellent translation. It is appreciated.

1.  The arm was removed by a very clean circular cut. It was not broken off (fact).

2.  It was apparently the result of some drunken argument which led to a fight (no one may ever know all the details).

3.  The authorities caught who did it in a matter of just a few hours.

4.  It is not likely that many people personally know how hard the investigators work on solving crimes here. They work many, and often late hours, and are awoken in the middle of the night to go out and investigate crimes. They do not make a lot of money for what they do. That said, the office of the Ministerio Publico feels it is important that they are better enabled to communicate with the foreign population. The agents of the office (I think there are 7?) are going to be taking formal English classes. The classes will be paid, but they are in Guadalajara. There is still a need for transportation to GDL and other related expenses. If anyone is interested in contributing to this, please contact me.

Why guadalajara? There are Many good options locally

we know a mexican woman who is not only a school teacher but also teaches mexican adults english right here in chapala.

Possible contract with the state may already exist for these classes? Just a thought.

I already discussed the option of teaching in Chapala. The office has a specific place they want to teach (likely due to topics and terminology).

Probably lost a Arm & a Leg in a Poker Game

Dr. Sam Thelin wrote:I already discussed the option of teaching in Chapala. The office has a specific place they want to teach (likely due to topics and terminology).

that makes sense and for sure will take some time

May I ask your source?

Dr. Sam Thelin wrote:1.  The arm was removed by a very clean circular cut. It was not broken off (fact).

2.  It was apparently the result of some drunken argument which led to a fight (no one may ever know all the details).

3.  The authorities caught who did it in a matter of just a few hours.

4.  It is not likely that many people personally know how hard the investigators work on solving crimes here. They work many, and often late hours, and are awoken in the middle of the night to go out and investigate crimes. They do not make a lot of money for what they do. That said, the office of the Ministerio Publico feels it is important that they are better enabled to communicate with the foreign population. The agents of the office (I think there are 7?) are going to be taking formal English classes. The classes will be paid, but they are in Guadalajara. There is still a need for transportation to GDL and other related expenses. If anyone is interested in contributing to this, please contact me.

vetteforron wrote:May I ask your source?

No.

Dr. Sam Thelin wrote:

vetteforron wrote:May I ask your source?

No.

Thanks for a good rumor.

Since Dr. Sam works at Cruz Roja (and works closely with the police in his capacity), his reports are generally considered to be several grades above rumor. He lets people know as much as he can. Seldom is his source one of the things he can reveal.

The coroner report said he was drunk and fell in the kitchen and hit his head and bleed a lot. Also there was vomit. Because there was blood there was an investigation.
I think also because of the recent murders in la floresta there is much ado nada.

If you are so connected that you are seeing the coroner´s reports, you don´t need web board information.

vetteforron wrote:The coroner report said he was drunk and fell in the kitchen and hit his head and bleed a lot. Also there was vomit. Because there was blood there was an investigation.
I think also because of the recent murders in la floresta there is much ado nada.

So you are saying that this has gone from a "strangulation and arm severing" murder to a drunken self induced accident?

CanuckBob wrote:

vetteforron wrote:The coroner report said he was drunk and fell in the kitchen and hit his head and bleed a lot. Also there was vomit. Because there was blood there was an investigation.
I think also because of the recent murders in la floresta there is much ado nada.

So you are saying that this has gone from a "strangulation and arm severing" murder to a drunken self induced accident?

And the location from under a trailer to inside a kitchen.

Popcorn plz.

First I have heard good things about Dr. Sam.
I was there 20 feet away. There was no arm under the class a motor home. The owners of the park were in contact with the coraner office. My scorce. John was a drunk which had fell and broke ribs before.

So why all the disinformation in the newspaper article?

Were there two arms attached to the victim? Or was there maybe one on the kitchen floor or somewhere?

Espiritu, do you want butter on that popcorn?

While TOB may profess to dispense more useful information you've got to appreciate the value of cheap entertainment provided by this board with it's ability to allow any information/rumor.

I'll pop the corn!

Let's add this to the mix. A two-day-old Milenio story identifies the deceased as John Paul Ateel, age 76. The story says his left arm was mutilated and the body has been taken to the forensics lab for autopsy, results of which are pending. The story also says that some of Ateel's belongings were found in a car parked nearby. Hmmm.......

http://www.milenio.com/jalisco/Muerte-extranjero-rina_0_250175018.html

looks like the newspapers are having trouble with this too. in any event ron lives there in a trailer and no doubt knew this guy ateel well.

Why are the papers so wrong on this?