More on the virus

Supposed stats for Tuesday, January 26th, 2021...

FERRET reports that CFE is out in her vicinity, and asks us to be patient until she can once again report the Covid status.

Thanks Mike.
Supposed stats for Wednesday, January 27th, 2021...

Supposed stats for Thursday, January 28th, 2021...

Hector Espana, Ajijic Liason, just announced Chapala has had over 400 cases. He doesnt say how many are currently active though. That is the important number.

Early on in the pandemic they were multiplying the positive numbers by 10 to arrive at the actual infected cases. So you could say there’s about 4000 infected persons walking around among you.

Jreboll wrote:Early on in the pandemic they were multiplying the positive numbers by 10 to arrive at the actual infected cases. So you could say there’s about 4000 infected persons walking around among you.

No, you can't say that at all. They won't even say if the stats they are counting is "tests done" or "tests positive" AND the 400 is since the very BEGINNING of keeping records. Dumb. REALLY DUMB! And some of those people have died so they really aren't walking around amongst us by any stretch of the imagination. And many have recovered. Totally bullshit way of keeping stats... so bad that I wouldn't even call them stats at all.

My conclusions are just as silly as the numbers being given.

Let the country that is without sin cast the first stone.

They are a guideline ONLY. The best rule of thumb is to assume that EVERYONE is a carrier and act accordingly. I live alone and have not seen any friends socially for a year now. Nor have I eaten in restaurants. I go out once every couple of weeks for a big grocery shop and once a week for fill in items. I would love a haircut and I would love to go the dentist. I am grateful for the internet and online communications with friends. If I have to go through the pandemic, I am also grateful to be in a warm sunny environment where everything is pretty much five minutes away.
I'll live.

ALL rhe information is suspect.. in CHiapas they say they have the lowest number of cases in the country and it just came out that the IMSS hospital director is lying and has not aknowledge yet that one doctor is dead as well as a service person and 4 other doctors are in a ver serious situation with tracheotomies.. so who do you believe the , guy who wrote the article, the director, the number of graves.. it is just crazy..

I just don't understand why they would lie about it. The states set their own rules anyway. If anything they could miss out on some federal funding. Never heard of tracheotomies being helpful for covid.

I can tell you have never been in a Chiapas hospital..  It was in the paper Proceso and the doctors are passing it around with the names of the doctors  who are sick or the two   people from that hospital that have died..It is happening in the IMSS on 5 de Mayo in Tuxtla.

Of course I haven't been in a Chiapas hospital. I'm questioning why they would lie about the total number of covid cases/deaths in the state of Chiapas not about two doctors that may have died......

Because saving face is more important than the truth in Mexico's culture. It is the one thing that bugs me about Mexico.
I don't want to hear what you THINK I want to hear so don't give me directions to somewhere when what you really need to say is that you don't know.
Honesty is absolutely THE most important thing in this world.

ferret wrote:Because saving face is more important than the truth in Mexico's culture. It is the one thing that bugs me about Mexico.
I don't want to hear what you THINK I want to hear so don't give me directions to somewhere when what you really need to say is that you don't know.
Honesty is absolutely THE most important thing in this world.

I agree, Ferret. The other part of that mentality is never admitting culpability for anything. "No tengo la culpa". "Se rompio"- it broke, passive tense. Like it just jumped off the table all by itself. Not "I'm so sorry, I accidentally broke it".

My neighbor had a maid who was really clutzy and seemed to break something every time she came to clean, a glass, a plate, a mirror. The neighbor said she wasn't that upset about the broken things, but that this woman would stuff the broken pieces in the bottom of the garbage bin, as if it would never be noticed, instead of fessing up and apologizing.

One of my daughters is married to a Mexican who grew up in East L.A. He actually says, "Everyone is out to screw you so you may as well screw them first." My sweet, generous Canadian daughter, who would give you the shirt off her back, tells him, "That's not my reality. People don't act like that where I come from."

Since when isn't "saving face" important in other cultures? People tend to make some elaborate excuses for everything they don't feel comfortable admitting, everywhere. In Mexico, it seems to take on a more straightforward form in the manner of denial, as in "it broke". At first, that's a bit shocking. Then, I got used to it.

Supposed stats for Friday, January 29th, 2021... they ain't goin' down and stayin' down....

gringal wrote:Since when isn't "saving face" important in other cultures? People tend to make some elaborate excuses for everything they don't feel comfortable admitting, everywhere. In Mexico, it seems to take on a more straightforward form in the manner of denial, as in "it broke". At first, that's a bit shocking. Then, I got used to it.

I think it's a human tendency to want to save face, but it's much more ingrained, universal and extreme in some cultures than others.

When my kids were young and accidentally broke something, I just reacted by saying, oh, too bad, oh well. But their dad would get mad, saying they were careless, thoughtless, etc.

So they would always come to me to tell me if they broke something, but would try to hide it from their dad.

Once my daughter dropped a plate when carrying it to the sink. She started crying and I told her it was okay, it was just an accident, it's only a plate, no need to cry. She replied, "But it was your favorite one".

When children aren't taken to task about things like that, they can react with their true feelings, which in that case was that she felt bad about breaking something she knew I really liked. If kids are berated for mistakes or accidents, their reaction is defensive, denying responsibilty, coming up with excuses or learning to hide the evidence.

Supposed stats for Saturday, January 30th, 2021...

I actually don't agree with either Gringal or Mudgirl about "saving face" but perhaps it comes down to what you're "saving face" about.
Where do you draw the line? If you did something wrong, fess up. If you don't know the answer, you don't lie about something to make yourself look good. Do you speed away from an accident? Do you only work hard when somebody's watching?
It's about honesty and doing the right thing. Nothing more and nothing less.

Yes, I think it does come down to what you're saving face about. We've likely all told 'little white lies' at some point. There's a difference between claiming you were late due to getting stuck behind a cement truck because you don't want to admit you were watching youtube videos when you should have been getting ready to go, and accidentally destroying someone's property and claiming it had nothing to do with you.

For a number of years I travelled by car across Mexico. I cannot count the number of times I got directions from Mexicans who did not want to disappoint me by saying they didn't know, and set me off in completely the wrong direction. (The only time in Canada I got that kind of response was looking for the football statium in Montreal for a Grey Cup game, and purposely sent in the wrong direction by a Monteraler who apparently hated Le Maudit Anglais.)

My maid regularly breaks things and makes them vanish, or feigns surprise when I find something and point it out.

My gardener has broken every statue and pot that can break in my yard, and has never hidden them, but has left me to discover them for myself.

Is it saving face or is it something else? I don't know. But it is consistent in Mexico IMO. But, Ferret, YMMV.

It doesn't. But I am now rather upfront about things that get broken and that I have to be told if something gets broken when I have a new housekeeper. I understand that accidents happen.
Now if I could just figure out why my set of cutlery FOR TWELVE is now 9 soup spoons and 8 forks. I would rather have given a cutlery set to someone because this set was bought by mother as a gift to us.
Yeah, I know. It's just stuff. Sigh.

ComputerGuy wrote:For a number of years I travelled by car across Mexico. I cannot count the number of times I got directions from Mexicans who did not want to disappoint me by saying they didn't know, and set me off in completely the wrong direction. (The only time in Canada I got that kind of response was looking for the football statium in Montreal for a Grey Cup game, and purposely sent in the wrong direction by a Monteraler who apparently hated Le Maudit Anglais.)

Mexicans are total amateurs in giving wrong directions compared to the Irish. In Ireland, direction givers all have PHD¨S.  

ferret wrote:It doesn't. But I am now rather upfront about things that get broken and that I have to be told if something gets broken when I have a new housekeeper. I understand that accidents happen. Now if I could just figure out why my set of cutlery FOR TWELVE is now 9 soup spoons and 8 forks. I would rather have given a cutlery set to someone because this set was bought by mother as a gift to us. Yeah, I know. It's just stuff. Sigh.

Now that is interesting. I've noticed I'm low on forks. This is MY cutlery; I have no kids who would have taken them outside; I've never loaned a piece... what is up widdat?

Vaccination is not the be all and end all...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/many-who-have-received-the-coronavirus-vaccine-wonder-what-can-i-safely-do/ar-BB1dhpEN