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Post by slainte39 Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:11 pm

RoyD wrote:ar I would say the same about those that are rioting in Portland too. This stuff needs to stop and spineless politicians need to grow a backbone and do what needs to be done to put an end to it.

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The moment you brought this "equivalency"/"what about" argument into the discussion tells me all I need to know about your real feelings.

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Post by mudgirl Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:10 pm

rafterbr wrote: I thought the rioters breaking into the White House should have been shot .

Oh please. Enough with American gun culture. Shooting people isn't a solution.

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Post by gringal Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:27 pm

How about "arrested, tried and sent to prison"? That works for me. Also, I thought that's what we do in a democracy, our possibly "former" system of government.

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Post by mudgirl Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:46 pm

I have an idea. All those white supremacists could be auctioned off as slaves to the descendents of black slaves.
" BillyBob, white male, 6'1", 215 lbs, strong and healthy, though missing a few teeth. Bad attitude, but nothing a few days in chains with no food, followed by a good whippin' won't cure."

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Post by rafterbr Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:27 pm

mudgirl wrote:
rafterbr wrote:  I thought the rioters breaking into the White House should have been shot .

Oh please. Enough with American gun culture. Shooting people isn't a solution.

Almost all southern states have law if someone breaks into your house, you can shoot them. I see no difference.

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Post by mudgirl Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:47 pm

rafterbr wrote:
mudgirl wrote:
rafterbr wrote:  I thought the rioters breaking into the White House should have been shot .

Oh please. Enough with American gun culture. Shooting people isn't a solution.

Almost all southern states have law if someone breaks into your house, you can shoot them.  I see no difference.

You missed my point entirely. This is exactly what is wrong with the USA. That shooting people is acceptable.

Many years ago I read of a case in Texas where a Chinese foreign exchange student had been invited to a party at someone's home, but was lost and couldn't find the house. He went up and knocked on a door in the neighborhood to ask for directions, and the man of the house came to the door and shot the poor kid dead on the doorstep. The murderer got off by claiming he was protecting his family.

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Post by Lucky Girl Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:59 pm

Thank you, Arnold Schwarzenegger!
Being somewhat older than Arnold, I have terrible memories of those years.
https://news.yahoo.com/arnold-schwarzenegger-capitol-hill-riot-kristallnacht-155259895.html

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Post by Carry Bean Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:23 pm

You missed my point entirely. This is exactly what is wrong with the USA. That shooting people is acceptable.

Many years ago I read of a case in Texas where a Chinese foreign exchange student had been invited to a party at someone's home, but was lost and couldn't find the house. He went up and knocked on a door in the neighborhood to ask for directions, and the man of the house came to the door and shot the poor kid dead on the doorstep. The murderer got off by claiming he was protecting his family.[/quote]


Oh, please. Stop with the pontificating.  In the ‘80’s when I go beaten up and raped in my room in Sint Maarten by a guy with a knife if I had had a gun he would have been dead and I would have been glad.  And I hate guns.

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Post by slainte39 Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:39 pm

I would only be ashamed of Trump and his acolytes.

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Post by rafterbr Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:16 pm

If these had been black rioters breaking into the Capital Building, they would have been shot as they entered. You don't have to shoot to kill but a few well aimed leg shots would have stopped it in its tracks. President Elect Biden is even saying these hoodlums were handled differently just because they were white. I feel probably more strong about this than some people because I served and retired from the Department of Defense after 28 years. This act goes against my upbringing where my father was a disabled veteran from World War ll and my own believes from my service. Had I been there I would have shot the ones who broke the windows and entered the building. Why do you think they were carrying hand ties for?

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Post by kiko Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:41 pm

slainte39 wrote:
RoyD wrote:ar I would say the same about those that are rioting in Portland too. This stuff needs to stop and spineless politicians need to grow a backbone and do what needs to be done to put an end to it.

RoyD

The moment you brought this "equivalency"/"what about" argument into the discussion tells me all I need to know about your real feelings.

Absolute genius here in slainte39 cross post:

slainte39 wrote:For those who can´t see the difference between BLM and Trumpsters, it is very clear to me.
BLM protested and rioted AGAINST an injustice, the abnormal killing of black people by the police.
Trumpsters (minions of Trump) protested and rioted FOR an injustice, denying the majority vote that happened, coincidentally? to be a very large majority of black people.
Doesn´t take a genius to figure that out or draw conclusions.
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Post by Zedinmexico Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:10 am

Back to the topic.

I have thought about this for a day or two and can't figure out why one would feel responsible or shame unless you voted for trump or supported him. I can't think of anything folk here could have done here to stop it. I can understand feeling bad but can't see how I can feel ashamed unless I was involved in this mess. We live in Mexico and I can't see how feeling ashamed can help the situation in the USA.
I do understand how others may feel differently. Maybe just maybe this is a wakeup call for many folks but for me its just another page of injustice in the history of the USA. I hope this causes us to grow and learn and avoid such messes in the future but I doubt it.

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Post by karjoeaz Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:08 am

I am ashamed for being put in the same group by many people in the world of being racist an bigotry that came to the fore front over the past four years

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Post by gringal Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:33 am

karjoeaz wrote:I am ashamed for being put in the same group by many people in the world of being racist an bigotry that came to the fore front over the past four years

Since "we" have no idea what people in the rest of the world think about the majority of U.S. citizens' opinions, and since the greatest number voted for the other candidate in the last two elections, why should we assume that?
I'm not at all ashamed. I am assuming that our election of Biden assured the world that the greatest number want a different kind of government than the last.

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Post by ComputerGuy Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:11 pm

Opinions aside, I would not shame the OP for being ashamed.
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Post by gringal Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:26 pm

ComputerGuy wrote:Opinions aside, I would not shame the OP for being ashamed.

I had no intention of "shaming" anyone. To disagree with an opinion is not the same as "shaming". Suspect

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Post by ComputerGuy Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:47 pm

Was not suggesting that you were, sorry. Other posters were quite opposed and I thought it a bit much to lay on. Your post just happened to be the one before mine. I am very familiar with your good intentions for many things.
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Post by CanuckBob Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:01 pm

It's ok my American amigo's. Todo bien.

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Post by slainte39 Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:25 pm

ComputerGuy wrote:Was not suggesting that you were, sorry. Other posters were quite opposed and I thought it a bit much to lay on. Your post just happened to be the one before mine. I am very familiar with your good intentions for many things.

Sent you a PM (the other matter)..........

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Post by CHILLIN Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:17 am

In most cases, the game of politics is a fairly calm spectacle. Occasional dirty tricks, and scandals, but generally quite boring to observe. This is why voter turnout is traditionally quite low. This all changed when a well experienced and skilled entertainer slipped into the US Presidency. He never did come close to making America great again, but he succeeded into making politics sensational again. Was there a market for sensationalism, oh yes, an enormous market. For an American weaned on professional sports, people picked their "teams" and became ever fanaytical followers. It reached the point, like in European Football leagues where superfans became violent hooligans. That is what we witnessed in Washington D.C.. Now that team has lost their chance for a prize and bragging rights. Now they must rebuild and recruit for another try at this. There is nothing distinctly American about this. The whole world has violent videos and clashes between sports fans. I would suggest then that this nothing more than the human condition, and has been for a long time. Are you ashamed of being a human? Do you at least try to become a better person?



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Post by gringal Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:25 am

slainte39 wrote:
ComputerGuy wrote:Was not suggesting that you were, sorry. Other posters were quite opposed and I thought it a bit much to lay on. Your post just happened to be the one before mine. I am very familiar with your good intentions for many things.

Sent you a PM (the other matter)..........

It never arrived in my inbox??

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Post by ComputerGuy Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:40 am

He was referring to me.
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Post by gringal Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:05 pm

So all is well......good.

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Post by slainte39 Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:37 pm

gringal wrote:So all is well......good.

CG was the intended recipient.
As far as "all is well"......well, yes, as I´m not attending the "inauguration".... lol!

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Post by mikemcs Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:14 am

There is an old adage that liberals think conservatives are evil and conservative think liberals are stupid. Most of you seem to be reaffirming of the latter.

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Post by CHILLIN Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:47 pm

You are missing a whole bunch of important, and subtle, parts in between. This was one of the legendary reporter, Charles Krauthammer's, most famous pieces. Most of the liberal minds on this forum could eat you for breakfast. But I guess that makes them evil?

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