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Post by sundown Wed May 30, 2012 2:54 pm

On May 28, I was stopped & asked for my permit to have my South Dakota plated vehicle in Mexico. I was accompanied at all times by a Mexican/English speaking friend. I produced my Mx Drivers lic, Non Immigrante visa, vehicle permit(entered in 2008). Feds stated it was expired & that they were taking my vehicle because I had not paid annual tax. I produce Articulo 106-IV stating my Permit was good as long as my Visa was current. Feds stated that was not important & took my vehicle (violation 49.70)& threatened me with jail. I told them I was calling The U.S. consulate, and they did not put me in jail. They also said my Immigration was probably false. The next day I had to sign papers that said I was guilty(after being jail threatened & told that my car would be kept months-necessary to check USA for past violations, etc), pay them 5,000 pesos (half of their asking)(plus a lawyer that supported their position) to get my vehicle returned. The payment & papers were at the Federal Ministero Publicos office. Location is not printed here to avoid repercussions. I was WARNED)I am hearing more of these cases. Driving a Mexican plated car is now a must, as this will probably happen again & again. Note that, I never had the chance to offer "to settle roadside".
I was "delivered to the Ministero Publico's office". The Fed officer showed up both days.

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Post by Luisa Wed May 30, 2012 3:35 pm

I am really, really sorry that this happened to you.
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Post by binky Wed May 30, 2012 3:41 pm

WHERE did this happen....Chapala, Ajijic, Guadalajara????? Hopefully Spencer can weigh in on this.
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Post by sundown Wed May 30, 2012 4:03 pm

I cannot give location due to the fact that I have been warned, not to call consulate, complain on the Fed Police Denuncia line, etc
I have advised Spencer, but asked for no action due to above.

Even the lawyer that works for the city involved stated that I should have paid the taxes, after reading the Ley Aduanera y su Reglamento en Espanol. articulo 106 and was supportive of the Feds taking my car
Violation 49, 70. Which he read AND the Minestero Publico said both of above was not important.

I posted this to advise ALL foreign plated owners that this is forthcoming.
The Feds have found this "area" and if questioned can say that the Permit was expired and they have received no other "training" on this. The Fed Commandantes are talking with each other
The Fed Commandante in this area(not to far from here) is driving a new 600,000 peso car
ENUF SAID?

REMEMBER this, Some Police are working with the Narcos, and all they have to do is point a finger at me & I am in body parts

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Post by viajero Wed May 30, 2012 4:48 pm

That really sucks,I thought articulo 106 covered that.What annual taxes were they talking about?

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Post by Grizzy Wed May 30, 2012 4:53 pm

Wow! I am so sorry this happened to you.
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Post by Smartalex Wed May 30, 2012 4:57 pm

I suggest you make an honest attempt to comply with the local laws and regulations regarding vehicle registration instead of trying to save a few bucks by using a bogus expired South Dakota registration and a technical loophole in the immigration law. Where I come from, California, they have strict laws that require you to register your vehicle and pay the fees within ten days of becoming a resident there. If you don't comply with the law and get caught, they will impound the car immediately. Then you must prove that you have complied with the law in order to get the car returned. How do they deal with this kind of situation where you come from? What makes you think you have the right to flaunt these laws and regulations just because you're in Mexico?


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Post by espíritu del lago Wed May 30, 2012 4:59 pm

Well said..
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Post by viajero Wed May 30, 2012 5:08 pm

Articulo 106 is not a tecnical loophole in the immigration law,it's part of the Ley Aduanera.

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Post by Parker Wed May 30, 2012 5:23 pm

We have always kept our plates current and just figured we would do as much as possible to keep ourselves off the radar.

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Post by espíritu del lago Wed May 30, 2012 5:32 pm

Ok.. but why not skip the loophole and do the proper Mexico protocol. Granted I don't do the visa I am a part-timer ...I am out of the loop due the drug war and my tx residence I haven't been down in a while. However I do own a home in mx and Will not sell as of yet. I am taking the wait and see approach. If what s.d says becomes the norm I would think compliance would be worth thinking about.
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Post by viajero Wed May 30, 2012 5:39 pm

Parker wrote:We have always kept our plates current and just figured we would do as much as possible to keep ourselves off the radar.
But have you renewed your vehicle import permit?


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Post by viajero Wed May 30, 2012 5:42 pm

espíritu del lago wrote:Ok.. but why not skip the loophole and do the proper Mexico protocol.
It's not a loophole and just what is the proper Mexico protocol?

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Post by sparks Wed May 30, 2012 5:54 pm

Sounds to me they were referring to the Mexico permit being expired ... not the SD registration.

If this is not total BS then it sounds like evryone needs to visit Aduana every year
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Post by Parker Wed May 30, 2012 5:55 pm

Our understanding is that if you’re legal somewhere than your legal here. Others have stated that we didn’t need to keep our plates current but we didn’t want to draw attention to ourselves which we felt this would have.

Sundown, were your plates current?

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Post by rjf1943 Wed May 30, 2012 5:56 pm

viajero wrote:
Parker wrote:We have always kept our plates current and just figured we would do as much as possible to keep ourselves off the radar.
But have you renewed your vehicle import permit?

And how would a person do that?
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Post by viajero Wed May 30, 2012 5:57 pm

Try to pay attention Parker,the issue is the import permit.

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Post by rjf1943 Wed May 30, 2012 5:59 pm

viajero wrote:Try to pay attention Parker,the issue is the import permit.

How do you renew the import permit?
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Post by sparks Wed May 30, 2012 6:02 pm

rjf1943 wrote:
viajero wrote:
Parker wrote:We have always kept our plates current and just figured we would do as much as possible to keep ourselves off the radar.
But have you renewed your vehicle import permit?

And how would a person do that?

A visit to Aduana. Most people are doing this to preserve their deposit ... but those of us tha have been here awhile have no deposit to protect

Aduana will give you a permit extension for free
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Post by viajero Wed May 30, 2012 6:05 pm

rjf1943 wrote:
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Parker wrote:We have always kept our plates current and just figured we would do as much as possible to keep ourselves off the radar.
But have you renewed your vehicle import permit?

And how would a person do that?
I understand that Spencer provides that service for a reasonable fee,if I lived at lakeside I would let him handle it,otherwise you're probably looking at a few trips to the aduana @ GDL.I asked him about this once he told me that legally I wasn't required to renew but it seemed a little grey.

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Post by espíritu del lago Wed May 30, 2012 6:06 pm

Vieajaro, I am not in the same boat as you all are.. I do the 180day so.. color me as not knowing the law... As to proper protocol in mx we all know too well that there are exceptions to the rules.
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Post by rjf1943 Wed May 30, 2012 6:07 pm

sparks wrote:
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viajero wrote:
Parker wrote:We have always kept our plates current and just figured we would do as much as possible to keep ourselves off the radar.
But have you renewed your vehicle import permit?

And how would a person do that?

A visit to Aduana. Most people are doing this to preserve their deposit ... but those of us tha have been here awhile have no deposit to protect

Aduana will give you a permit extension for free

I did that last week, so I assume I am ok............but what is violation 49.70? I would pay an annual tax on a foreign plated vehicle but I do not know of such a procedure.
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Post by sparks Wed May 30, 2012 6:09 pm

I've never heard of a tax .... maybe a misunderstanding in more ways than one
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Post by Parker Wed May 30, 2012 6:14 pm

viajero wrote:Try to pay attention Parker,the issue is the import permit.

Our understanding is they’re all connected. And if your FMM/FM2/FM3 is current and your plates are current then your permit is O.K. even though it may have expired. Let’s wait to hear from sundown so we get a better idea of what’s going on.

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Post by Chapala Payaso Wed May 30, 2012 6:19 pm

Interesting commentary but, as Paul Harvey would ask, what is the rest of the story? If all is as the OP stated, then there is a conflict in the applicable law. This has never been an issue in the past. Yhe police's atitude seems hostile. Why? A trip to aduana to check on their perspective of the law and the case in point would be prudent. While there, check on the tax referred to.

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