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Post by Jreboll Tue Aug 17, 2021 5:25 pm

Karma
https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2021/08/17/texas-gov-greg-abbott-tests-positive-for-covid-19/

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Post by kiko Tue Aug 17, 2021 7:25 pm

Yep Karma caught up with the governor. So the governor has been getting a daily Covid test for months but yet he tells schools that they hsve to open and no mask mandate??

And what about that super duper Regeneron treatment he is receiving on Day One of his diagnosis paid in full on the taxpayer's dollar? SOCIALISM!!!

How do you spell Republican? H Y P O C R I T E
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Post by Jreboll Tue Aug 17, 2021 7:35 pm

The rich have always had socialism. They just don’t want the rest of us to have it.

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Post by caligirl108 Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:57 pm

Because of his crushed spine & damaged kidneys in 1984, he has received over 8 million in tax free annuities by suing the owner of a tree... & their tree service.. Making more off that than his governor pay of $153,000.

Paraplegics have lots of health issues because of their immobility - unusual to live to 63 actually.  So yeah - Day 1 & ~ $100,000 in treatments.  He doesn't get a second chance due to pre-existing kidney impairment (loss?) & constant urinary infections that paras get, constant antibiotics, poor  immune systems.  Covid long haulers are experiencing kidney inflammation/failure.  so yes, serious Karma. Is Matthew McC still available?

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Post by Jreboll Wed Aug 18, 2021 4:46 am

He’s damaged goods in so many ways and yet he aspires to be president. He wants to tether himself to Trump so his faults don’t catch up to him. But I fear a lifeline from Trump will not be forthcoming.

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Post by ferret Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:09 am

Abbot is FULLY VACCINATED.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/texas-governor-tests-positive-covid-19-houston-offers-vaccine-incentive-2021-08-17/
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Post by Jreboll Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:15 am

And yet he got Regeneron just for testing positive. Who else gets that being without symptoms? 1000dls when he could have used a mask worth pennies.

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Post by ferret Wed Aug 18, 2021 9:08 am

Supposed stats for Tuesday, August 17th, 2021...down nacional and state...up 1 chapala and up 3 ixtlahuacan
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Post by ferret Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:30 am

Supposed stats for Wednesday, August 18th, 2021...all UP substantially except for Tizapan which is down 1...
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Post by Jreboll Fri Aug 20, 2021 6:42 am

Latest from Reuter’s
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Post by ferret Fri Aug 20, 2021 7:55 am

Supposed stats for Thursday, August 19th, 2021...all up except for Jocotepec down 3 and Tizapan down 1
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Post by gatosigi Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:16 am

https://today.in-24.com/coronavirus/264006.html
Another potential treatment, from Mexico.

In Spanish: https://tribunadelabahia.com.mx/cientifica-mexicana-farmaco-covid-48634

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Post by ferret Sat Aug 21, 2021 10:11 am

Supposed stats for Friday, August 20th, 2021... UP! Nacional and Jalisco. Chapala -1, Jocotepec +8, Ixtlahuacan -1 and Tuxcueca +1
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Post by CanuckBob Sat Aug 21, 2021 12:21 pm

Joco has been a hotspot for quite a while now.

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Post by ferret Sun Aug 22, 2021 8:22 am

Supposed stats for Saturday, August 21st, 2021...Nacional UP, Jalisco -9, Chapala +1, Jocotepec -5, Ixtlahuacan +3
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Post by ferret Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:19 am

Supposed stats for Sunday, August 22nd, 2021...nacional -9327, jalisco -721,
chapala -3, jocotepec +2, ixtlahuacan -1, tuxcueca -1, tizapan +1
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Post by ferret Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:02 am

Supposed stats for Monday, August 23rd, 2021... nacional down 13,392, jalisco down 829,
chapala down 2, jocotepec down 1, ixltlahuacan down 3. :)
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Post by ferret Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:42 am

Supposed stats for Tuesday, August 24th, 2021...nacional down 3236, jalisco down 224,
chapala same, jocotepec down 3, ixtlahuacan up 1, tuxcueca and tizapan same.
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Post by ferret Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:46 am

The latest update on boosters...
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Supposed stats for Wednesday, August 25th, 2021... nacional up 234, jalisco up 234, chapala up 1, jocotepec down 6, ixtlahuacan up 7, tuxcueca and tizapan same.
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Post by Jreboll Thu Aug 26, 2021 7:45 pm

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Supposed stats for Thursday, August 26th, 2021... nacional up 2883, jalisco up 279, chapala up 2, jocotepec down 1, ixtlahuacan up 2, tuxcueca and tizapan same...
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Supposed stats for Friday, August 27th, 2021...nacional up 1538, jalisco up 121, ixtlahuacan down 3, all others the same.
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Supposed stats for Saturday, August 28th, 2021...nacional up 492, jalisco down 85, chapala down 1, jocotepec down 1, ixtlahuacan up 2, tuxcueca down 1, tizapan up 2.
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stats for Sunday, August 29th, 2021... nacional down 9,418, jalisco down 577,
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Post by Jreboll Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:52 pm

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Good morning. Vaccine immunity may not really be waning much — which means universal booster shots may do little good.

A mobile vaccine clinic in West Palm Beach, Fla., this month.Saul Martinez for The New York Times
The booster-industrial complex
Late last month, researchers in Israel released some alarming new Covid-19 data. The data showed that many Israelis who had been among the first to receive the vaccine were nonetheless catching the Covid virus. Israelis who had been vaccinated later were not getting infected as often.

The study led to headlines around the world about waning immunity — the idea that vaccines lose their effectiveness over time. In the U.S., the Israeli study accelerated a debate about vaccine booster shots and played a role in the Biden administration’s recent recommendation that all Americans receive a booster shot eight months after their second dose.

But the real story about waning immunity is more complex than the initial headlines suggested. Some scientists believe that the Israeli data was misleading and that U.S. policy on booster shots has gotten ahead of the facts. The evidence for waning immunity is murky, these scientists say, and booster shots may not have a big effect.

After returning from an August break last week, I have spent time reaching out to scientists to ask for their help in understanding the current, confusing stage of the pandemic. How worried should vaccinated people be about the Delta variant? How much risk do children face? Which parts of the Covid story are being overhyped, and which deserve more attention?

I will be trying to answer these questions in the coming weeks. (I’d also like to know what questions you want answered; submit them here.)

One of the main messages I’m hearing from the experts is that conventional wisdom about waning immunity is problematic. Yes, the immunity from the Covid vaccines will wane at some point. But it may not yet have waned in a meaningful way.

“There’s a big difference between needing another shot every six months versus every five years,” Dr. David Dowdy, an epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins University, told me. “So far, looking at the data we have, I’m not seeing much evidence that we’ve reached that point yet.”

Simpson strikes again
At first glance, the Israeli data seems straightforward: People who had been vaccinated in the winter were more likely to contract the virus this summer than people who had been vaccinated in the spring.

Yet it would truly be proof of waning immunity only if the two groups — the winter and spring vaccine recipients — were otherwise similar to each other. If not, the other differences between them might be the real reason for the gap in the Covid rates.

As it turns out, the two groups were different. The first Israelis to have received the vaccine tended to be more affluent and educated. By coincidence, these same groups later were among the first exposed to the Delta variant, perhaps because they were more likely to travel. Their higher infection rate may have stemmed from the new risks they were taking, not any change in their vaccine protection.

Statisticians have a name for this possibility — when topline statistics point to a false conclusion that disappears when you examine subgroups. It’s called Simpson’s Paradox.

This paradox may also explain some of the U.S. data that the C.D.C. has cited to justify booster shots. Many Americans began to resume more indoor activities this spring. That more were getting Covid may reflect their newfound Covid exposure (as well as the arrival of Delta), rather than any waning of immunity over time.

‘Where is it?’
Sure enough, other data supports the notion that vaccine immunity is not waning much.

The ratio of positive Covid tests among older adults and children, for example, does not seem to be changing, Dowdy notes. If waning immunity were a major problem, we should expect to see a faster rise in Covid cases among older people (who were among the first to receive shots). And even the Israeli analysis showed that the vaccines continued to prevent serious Covid illness at essentially the same rate as before.

“If there’s data proving the need for boosters, where is it?” Zeynep Tufekci, the sociologist and Times columnist, has written.

Part of the problem is that the waning-immunity story line is irresistible to many people. The vaccine makers — Pfizer, Moderna and others — have an incentive to promote it, because booster shots will bring them big profits. The C.D.C. and F.D.A., for their part, have a history of extreme caution, even when it harms public health. We in the media tend to suffer from bad-news bias. And many Americans are so understandably frightened by Covid that they pay more attention to alarming signs than reassuring ones.

The bottom line
Here’s my best attempt to give you an objective summary of the evidence, free from alarmism — and acknowledging uncertainty:

Immunity does probably wane modestly within the first year of receiving a shot. For this reason, booster shots make sense for vulnerable people, many experts believe. As Dr. Céline Gounder of Bellevue Hospital Center told my colleague Apoorva Mandavilli, the C.D.C.’s data “support giving additional doses of vaccine to highly immunocompromised persons and nursing home residents, not to the general public.”

The current booster shots may do little good for most people. The vaccines continue to provide excellent protection against illness (as opposed to merely a positive Covid test). People will eventually need boosters, but it may make more sense to wait for one specifically designed to combat a variant. “We don’t know whether a non-Delta booster would improve protection against Delta,” Dr. Aaron Richterman of the University of Pennsylvania told me.

A national policy of frequent booster shots has significant costs, financially and otherwise. Among other things, the exaggerated discussion of waning immunity contributes to vaccine skepticism.

While Americans are focusing on booster shots, other policies may do much more to beat back Covid, including more vaccine mandates in the U.S.; a more rapid push to vaccinate the world (and prevent other variants from taking root); and an accelerated F.D.A. study of vaccines for children.

As always, we should be open to changing our minds as we get new evidence. As Richterman puts it, “We have time to gather the appropriate evidence before rushing into boosters.”

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